Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quadrobics
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. BD2412 T 00:31, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
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Was previously soft deleted at Quadrobers. Appears to be a flash in the pan Russian furry-adjacent subculture where every source exists from a tiny window of time where this blew up into a moral panic. Seems to fail WP:GNG. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 12:04, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- Strong keep. The subject is notable, as demonstrated by 33 (!!!) reliable sources.
The English-language sources include:
1. Vogue: "Quadrobics is the fitness trend that improves all-over strength (and your abs)", 5 July 2024
2. New Indian Express: "Quadrobics: low-impact, high-intensity workout", 21 July 2024
3. The Manual (via Yahoo Life): "Quadrobics is a full-body workout surging in popularity — Here’s what to know", 10 December 2024
4. Women Health Magazine: "Horsing around: what is quadrobics and how do you do it?", 8 January 2025
The Russian-language sources include RIA Novosti, Vedomosti, Russian Public Opinion Research Center, Channel One Russia, RBC, Hi-Tech Mail, Izvestia, Gazeta.Ru, Lenta.ru, big Russian sports portals like Sports.ru and Championat.ru . Actually, too many to mention.
And just take a look at the Russian Wikipedia page (ru:Квадроберы) that has a stunning count of 70,000 characters. I have no idea why the nominator insists the subject is unnotable. --Moscow Connection (talk) 12:55, 3 April 2025 (UTC) - Additional comment. The nominator is the same user who wanted to delete the "Quadrobers" article back in January. The article has been edited/improved by many people and it seems that Warrenmck is the only one who has found something wrong (or inappropriate?) with it. In January, he argued that it was "a mostly unsourced flash-in-the-pan subculture or moral panic" and that "every source is from the same roughly one month window in Russia". Neither was true. The article was carefully sourced even back then, and the publications used as references were from as early as May 2024 and as late as December 2024. Now, there's at least one from 2025. --Moscow Connection (talk) 13:07, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- Some Russian articles about quadrobics:
- RBC Life: "What is quadrobics: Is it a sport or not. Why do they want to ban the quadrobics in Russia", 23 May 2024;
- Mail.ru: "Quadrobics: What you need to know about a new hobby", 5 August 2024.
- The Moscow Times (in English): "What is quadrobics, Russia's viral but divisive youth culture, 13 September 2024;
- But, as I've said, there're too many to list here.
Therefore, if even this were an article about a Russia-only subculture (as the nominator argues), its subject would still pass WP:GNG.
(But it is not specific to Russia.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 13:27, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- Some more English-language sources, currently unused:
- BBC: "Quadrobic panic in Russia over craze to dress and walk on ...", 27 February 2025
(I can't look at and use this one cause bbc.com isn't working for me.) - Barron's: "Fur flies as Russia takes on young fans of 'Quadrobics'", 8 November 2024
- BBC: "Quadrobic panic in Russia over craze to dress and walk on ...", 27 February 2025
- --Moscow Connection (talk) 13:27, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment This is the author of both this article and the previously deleted one. I'm failing to see any sources that don't come from outside a tiny window of time when it was a flash in the pan meme in Russia. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 13:30, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment. This is the person who tried to delete the "Quadrobers" article in January. And the sole person on Wikipedia who finds it "inappropriate" or whatever.
"I'm failing to see any sources that don't come from outside a tiny window of time when it was a flash in the pan meme in Russia."
— OMG, I've listed several here. Some were published as early as May 2024. And they already were listed in this article back in January. I wonder why you couldn't see them and still can't. I've also listed two from 2025 right here today. --Moscow Connection (talk) 13:37, 3 April 2025 (UTC)- WP:NSUSTAINED is the issue, here.
Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 13:42, 3 April 2025 (UTC)Brief bursts of news coverage may not sufficiently demonstrate notability.
- It has been a year it's in the news. That's already not a "brief burst of news coverage".
Moreover, the four English-language sources I listed in my first comment aren't even news articles. They just talk about quadrobics in general, as a workout. They explain what it is. --Moscow Connection (talk) 13:50, 3 April 2025 (UTC)- Except that isn't sustained over a year, it seems to mostly be English press occasionally picking up the situation in Russia and covering that offset in time, i.e. a huge amount of those sources are about the exact same event (in this case the virality of Quadrobing in Russia occasionally as it relates to LGBTQ+ persecution in Russia) Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 14:14, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- I don't know why you think so. Quadrobics is not just about Russia. Quadrobics is still trending on YouTube, TikTok, and probably on Instagram too. There's also a "Quadrobics" subreddit, it is alive and well. Quadrobics isn't going anywhere. --Moscow Connection (talk) 14:25, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- Except that isn't sustained over a year, it seems to mostly be English press occasionally picking up the situation in Russia and covering that offset in time, i.e. a huge amount of those sources are about the exact same event (in this case the virality of Quadrobing in Russia occasionally as it relates to LGBTQ+ persecution in Russia) Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 14:14, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- It has been a year it's in the news. That's already not a "brief burst of news coverage".
- Comment. This is the person who tried to delete the "Quadrobers" article in January. And the sole person on Wikipedia who finds it "inappropriate" or whatever.
- Comment This is the author of both this article and the previously deleted one. I'm failing to see any sources that don't come from outside a tiny window of time when it was a flash in the pan meme in Russia. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 13:30, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Moscow Connection (talk) 14:37, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. Moscow Connection (talk) 14:37, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kazakhstan-related deletion discussions. Moscow Connection (talk) 14:37, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:SIGCOV and nontrivial impact. --Altenmann >talk 15:37, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete – Per previous AfD. Only a regional variation of the Furry fandom. Svartner (talk) 10:35, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
- This isn't true on so many levels... (It's so wrong that it's impossible to argue with.... "Furry fandon", whatever... In short, there are 1 trillion sources, the topic is notable. Full stop.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 13:17, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
- False argument. (1) not regional (you can easily see this from refs cited) and (2) not furry fandom(you can easily see this from refs cited) --Altenmann >talk 16:46, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
- It appears to be regional; practically every reference I can find is referring to a social media craze that is, by all accounts, just Russian. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 11:52, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
- That's completely false. The four sources that I listed first don't even mention Russia.
I have no idea how to comment on your comments. What you say is simply false. You should just admit that you want to delete this article no matter what. --Moscow Connection (talk) 13:34, 7 April 2025 (UTC)- The articles that don’t mention Russia mention a social media craze which, per the articles specifically talking about that, is from Russia. There is no sourcing for a social media craze outside of Russia I’ve been able to find.
- please remember WP:AGF, a lack of belief WP:GNG has been met isn’t the same thing as being hostile to a topic. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 13:38, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
- "There is no sourcing for a social media craze outside of Russia I’ve been able to find."
—The first four sources I listed aren't Russian and don't even mention Russia. --Moscow Connection (talk) 13:46, 7 April 2025 (UTC)- Right, they cite that it’s been a trend on social media. I’m unable to find any references to that trend extending outside Russia. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe that’s enough to pass WP:GNG, but I haven’t seen a single source yet that really implies this is anything other than a flash in the pan Russian fad. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 13:55, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
- Imagine that there aren't any sources except the first four ones I listed on this page. They talk about quadrobics in detail, and they are already enough for quadrobics to pass WP:GNG. And they don't even mention Russia. And neither do these ones: Garage Gym Reviews, Baptist Health, Findmykids.org. --Moscow Connection (talk) 14:27, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
- Right, they cite that it’s been a trend on social media. I’m unable to find any references to that trend extending outside Russia. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe that’s enough to pass WP:GNG, but I haven’t seen a single source yet that really implies this is anything other than a flash in the pan Russian fad. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 13:55, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
- "There is no sourcing for a social media craze outside of Russia I’ve been able to find."
- That's completely false. The four sources that I listed first don't even mention Russia.
- It appears to be regional; practically every reference I can find is referring to a social media craze that is, by all accounts, just Russian. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 11:52, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Please stop WP:BLUDGEONing the discussion, thank you.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 01:59, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep- The subject is notable and has multiple independent sources. Additionally, the article already has 3 corresponding articles in different languages.Masktapeisawesome (talk) 18:32, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep through the good research of Moscow Connection, easily meets GNG. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:14, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. The various sources show a larger impact also outside Russia. --Cyfal (talk) 20:52, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.