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A.W should not be on the section of the list of wrestlers. Considering he has not been competing. He s only used for backstage and sometimes in ring roles.

The official FCW website has removed the profiles of

Cable Jones, Devin Allen, Fadh Rakman, Rhys Ali, and Ron Myers

JR is listed as Senior VP of talent relations in the article; he has not, however, held this role in many years.

One question. We have some wrestlers as WWE Legends and they work as ambassador. Do we have sources about this? We have sources about them as Hall of famers and they appear in the alumni section, but I don't see any source about they are ambassadors or they still in the WWE. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:28, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Whether sources exist or not, we don't have them here in the article. Many were recently removed with the rationale that they don't appear on TV. I don't think that matters (the writers and corporate directors have mostly never appeared on TV), but I'll remove the rest for verifiability reasons. Sorry for the slow response. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:20, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Just so we're all clear, RVD has been added to WWE.com's roster, so he can be added to the roster here as well.

Thank you.

Vjmlhds (talk) 04:53, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And thank you for telling me this right before I watched Payback. That video package was still cool on an artistic level, at least (which is more than I can say for the Ambulance Match). And now Christian returns, eh? Not as annoyed as I might seem, but I'll return the favour by telling you Punk screwjobs RVD at SummerSlam. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:21, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Charlotte finally debutted on NXT.
Adrian Neville and Corey Graves are the third NXT Tag Team Champions.
Paige is the first-ever NXT Women's Champion.
Mike Dalton has been renamed as Tyler Breeze.[1]

Angelo Dawkins debutted on NXT this week against Sami Zayn. [2] 94.4.211.201 (talk) 10:04, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I've removed the two "yet to appear", but think we should wait till these episodes air before recognizing title and name changes. Those are storyline types of things, and the story hasn't been shown yet. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:20, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

We could use a better source for Mascarita Dorada and the women on the Diva reality show.

Dorada's signing is sourced to a paysite, so hard to verify. Googling gets mostly speculation and rumours.

The reality show press release says they'll be on the show and are training to be WWE Divas, but doesn't outright say they've signed developmental contracts.

I've left them for now, but they'll need something a bit more solid, I think. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:01, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

I found this source for dorada, by Superluchas. For the total divas people, I don't know. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:32, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that in the Google results, but it was phrased as a question, so I ignored it. Reading further, it does cite the Observer. So do we, but this could be seen as more immediately verifiable. I'll add it alongside the paysite link. Thanks. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:55, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

I read in the Darren Drozdov article's that he remains employed by WWE. It's truth? I don't see him in the WWE Roster. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:58, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that that was added a long time ago, and it seems that he is no longer active within the company. I don't read the WWE magazine, to which he was apparently contributing, but I haven't heard any mention that he still writes for it. It seems the last time he appeared anywhere near a WWE logo was for a DVD in 2005 (and that is no indication of him being employed). It seems that his article might need altering if we can find any evidence of him no longer working for the company. — Richard BB 14:10, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

He used to write a WWE.com column. The URL's still there, but that seems to be about it. Just a list of other writers' columns. The latest I can see of his was 2010. Safe to assume he doesn't work there, until further notice. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:44, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

I know that Dwayne stills in WWE roster page, but he is a movie and he said via Twitter that his last match at WM is his last match in wrestling. I think that we should move him to unassigned, no? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:03, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can you link to when he said that on Twitter? Also, considering the backstage rumour is that he'll be going against Lesnar at WM30, plus that he's on the cover for the new WWE game, makes me doubt that it was his last match. Adding him to "unassigned" is putting in him in the wrong section, I believe: these are people who are yet to have a role or debut. — Richard BB 14:12, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rock's article use this source I don't know, but Rock is filming and isn't in the company, so he hasn't a role in the WWE. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:19, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That article explicitly states that rumours that Rock had walked out on the WWE as false, while Rock only says that it's "possible" WM29 was his last match. Until we have anything solid that he's no longer under contract with the WWE (remember, you can be under contract without ever showing up on TV. So many retired wrestlers have "legends" contracts, for example. — Richard BB 14:24, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As long as he's on the WWE.com roster page, he stays on this roster. We should know by now that The Rock is a special attraction guy who only works select dates (just like Lesnar). WWE promotes his movies, put him on the video game cover, promotes his "Rock-pocalypse" app, still features him in the Raw opening, and most importantly of all, still lists him as part of their main roster. Vjmlhds (talk) 16:12, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm well aware of the fact that Chris Jericho has sent out a tweet saying he's taking a hiatus from WWE to tour with Fozzy. But unless WWE.com removes him from their active roster, he shouldn't be removed from this roster either.

Jericho has done this for the last few years...work from Rumble time into Mania and through the bulk of the summer, and then in the fall take a break to tour with Fozzy.

But just like with The Rock, as long as WWE.com lists him as part of their roster, he stays here as well.

Vjmlhds (talk) 23:17, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I don't think so. Rock and Jericho appear in the main roster, so they appear in the article, but we use other sourcer. Other sourcer tell us that they aren't in the company because they are working outside the company, so todya, the haven't a role in the WWE, so they are "unassigned". I think that be should move them to Unassigned section. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:52, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Vjmlhds for the same reason as I do with The Rock. Jericho is listed as part of the main roster on the site, so he should be here, too. The "unassigned" section if for people who haven't got a role yet; we know what Jericho's role is. Him being on hiatus doesn't change that. — Richard BB 13:01, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(Administrator note) Pedrigree, the prior consensus decision was that the WWE website is always the definitive source in this matter, with no exceptions--in cases of conflict the WWE site always wins. Now, you could conceivably re-argue that point, but keep in mind that it leads you down a very complex and difficult path of deciding exactly when the "unofficial" sources are good enough to trump the "official" one. And you also have to argue why the creator of the fictional tale (the writers) doesn't trump the comments of the characters/actors. It's a possible argument to make, but you'll first have to do that and change the prior consensus. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:17, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I said this because, for example, in 2008, Undertaker was "fired" and his profile was moved to the Alumni section, but sources tell us about a storyline. I know that they appear in the roster page and we can't delete them, but if they are working outside WWE, I think that we should move to other section. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:38, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Jericho may be working outside of the WWE, but he's also working for the WWE, the same way that Punk was during his recent 1-month hiatus. He's still contracted to appear on the main roster, even if he won't do for some time. — Richard BB 13:40, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly...People work 2 jobs (or multitask) all the time. Just because somebody is working job A, it doesn't mean that they're no longer working at Job B. Jericho has all kinds of irons in the fire...wrestler, rock star, reality shows, etc. Ditto Rock...movie star, reality show host, wrestler. And don't forget WWE's recent trend of signing guys to shorter schedules (Rock, Brock, Jericho, RVD) so these guys can fufill their other outside ventures. Long story short, guys are juggling lots of things these days. Vjmlhds (talk) 18:16, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A note by his name, as is today, should suffice. If/when his hiatus turns to leaving, we'll list him like Mantaur or Charlie Haas (that is, nowhere). InedibleHulk (talk) Today's Special/Story of the Year 18:33, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mantaur...now there's a blast from the past. Vjmlhds (talk) 22:05, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not my past. I still reference him pretty frequently. Just noticed he's had a page move, though. Not sure what to think about that. Why can't wrestlers all just wear their last names on their trunks? InedibleHulk (talk) 22:11, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Why are we mentioning this in the notes? Wrestlers often appear in other shows. We don't list those in their notes.

And why only mentioned in the women's notes? According to Total Divas, Kidd, Cena, Clay and Bryan are also featured.

Probably worth mentioning for the newbs, who have no other connection to WWE. But not for the established women. Save that for their "Other Media" sections, like the rest. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:01, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Rey Mysterio has return at a wwe live event on August 23, 2013 so plz takes rey mysterio off the injured knee thx D Yorker (talk) 21:56, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done STATic message me! 22:20, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm concerned with the two edits in this diff by DAhumorist and VJmhlds. I thought that the previously agreed upon rule was strictly based on who is listed on the official WWE roster. Am I misunderstanding? 22:01, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

I was also concerned about those edits, as far as I can see Dibiase is still on the roster, but it looks like J Bronson is not on the NXT superstars section anymore. Dibiase also has not revealed the normal "we wish him well in his future endeavours" article on WWE.com, so I am dubious of this uncited YouTube video. STATic message me! 22:28, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a bit concerned about war erupting and the page being locked again, but not about whether this is technically right or wrong. It was a clear rule and not long ago. There's one box on the checklist, and it says "On WWE.com Roster?" The answer is completely in that box, obvious as "RED BUTTON: DO NOT PUSH!" InedibleHulk (talk) 23:43, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

On the subject of NXT superstars that are not listed on WWE's NXT filter, Richie Steamboat and Adam Mercer are not listed on there but are listed on here on Wikipedia's List of WWE personeel. Do we know if either of them are still with WWE? 5.69.99.241 (talk) 03:22, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed them for the time being. And Malik Omari. Not sure about this Kendall Skye. The only mention she has on WWE.com is in an article about Alicia Fox, where she is called a "NXT Diva and ring announcer". Doesn't seem like she's a wrestler. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:58, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but this is absurd. WWE.com doesn't update the NXT roster regularly, but the current NXT wrestlers are continually updating their twitter. Not to mention results occasionally pop up with new wrestlers wrestling. Cal Bishop, for example, who you felt necessary to delete has wrestled on at least 3 NXT shows Cal bishop's matches Dahumorist (talk) 23:24, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rules are rules. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:26, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

Rules that don't factor in the facts are rules that need to be fixed. Malik Omari, Cal Bishop and others are A) Under WWE developmental contracts and B) wrestle for NXT. On top of that a number of other wrestlers Cole Andrews (real name Stephen Good), Bull Dempsey (real name Smith James), and Braun Stowman (real name Adam Scherr) have been recently assigned ring names by NXT and they've been updating their twitters to reflect their new official WWE/NXT personas. Under what circumstances can we actually include this information on the wikipedia page? Dahumorist (talk) 23:31, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

When they are listed on the official website's roster, we can list them here. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:35, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

So despite the fact that Cal Bishop has actually been wrestling as an NXT wrestler, he's not eligible to be listed as such? Dahumorist (talk) 23:46, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also, unless you have a source for their release from contract, I think it's quite irresponsible to delete members from the roster and not at LEAST re-list them under unassigned employees. Dahumorist (talk) 23:49, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that wasn't cool of me. Didn't do it on purpose, but should have thought about that. Fine if you'd like to put them there (or would you rather I do it?)

If you have any more questions about the rule, maybe reading the most recent archive of this talk page would help. It's not short (five or six sections), but it's thorough. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:07, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

So despite Cody Rhodes actually only being kayfabe fired, WWE.com has removed his profile from the website. Now according to the oh-so-precious, infallible rules, he should be removed from this wikipedia page. Do I agree? No, but as you've said before "rules are rules"... Dahumorist (talk) 16:41, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]