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both are of the same desert waste land of long ago lost people's who now are having financial disputes concerning domestic lines. 2600:1700:B8F0:960:2468:AEB:B373:C87 (talk) 23:09, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Protests on the 2023 Israel-Hamas war → Protests against the 2023 Israel-Hamas war.

I think we should replace the "on the" part with "against the". Protests against the Iraq War, Protests against the 2011 military intervention in Libya, Protests against Donald Trump, Protests against the Russian invasion of Ukraine. DementiaGaming (talk) 01:02, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose. A lot of these protests do not appear to be against war. Many are protests for Israel. Or for Palestine. Or for Hamas. They do not necessarily be primarily anti-war. Loksmythe (talk) 02:35, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Protests over the 2023 Israel-Hamas war Loksmythe (talk) 19:50, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Support or move to Protests over the 2023 Israel-Hamas war. I support moving this article. It can be to the suggested name or Protests over the 2023 Israel-Hamas war. There's a similar article name called International protests over the 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis, and those protests were pro-Palestine and pro-Israel. --217.180.201.161 (talk) 18:13, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to Protests over the 2023 Israel-Hamas war, per above. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:45, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I could be mistaken of course but it seems like this article was written with a pro Palestinian bias. By no means am I trying to excuse Israeli war crimes or past crimes against the Palestinian people (I shouldn’t even have to clarify this but I don’t want some weirdo to start arguing with me just because I bring up something which seems to be an issue), but I could only find one part of this referencing anti-semitism during the demonstrations and that was under the Australia section. I know for a fact that there were some outright pro Hamas protests in Sweden chanting stuff like “death to Jews” and praising the attacks committed by Hamas. I also heard from a friend (which I will fully admit isn’t exactly a good source “I heard from a friend” I mean) that people were shouting “gas the Jews” in Vienna and clashing with police. Perhaps what’s more obviously pointing to a bias is the lack of pro Israeli demonstrations. Again in the Australia section it does mention a vigil for the victims of Hamas’ attacks, but I couldn’t find anything similar for any other country, and that is despite me knowing that there have been vigils and such for the victims of Hamas’s attack.

I want to reiterate that I can very well be wrong and that there just haven’t been many pro Israel demonstrations or vigils and that this article just doesn’t really mention the actions of minorities of demonstrators, but it does seem like this article might actually be a tad biased.

TL;DR: This article almost exclusively mentions protests in solidarity with Palestine and barely the vice versa at all and seems to ignore certain actions taken by pro Palestinian protesters. 188.150.162.83 (talk) 23:27, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I found a clear example of bias now. This section was removed for no reason “ The conflict prompted thousands to participate in vigils and protests. A candlelight vigil led by Jewish individuals at the University of Florida.^[1]” about 10 hours ago.

perhaps this article should have been write protected because there seems to be a lot of people editing this to suit their biases... the edit did move some stuff around and rewrote some things but I didn’t see this section referenced at all anymore the user who did the edit just deleted this and it seems to have been a politically motivated action. 188.150.162.83 (talk) 23:33, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My preference would be an article titled 'Public reactions to the 2023 Israel-Hamas war', which would be inclusive the broader (and less slanted) scope of responses expressed.

This would categorically invite other non-protest demonstrations such as vigils and violent words/acts, in addition to expressions of organizational/governmental origin (statements, open letters, projections of flags, etc...)

Vigils and public mourning are conceptually different from my understanding of 'protest', which is why I take issue with the title of this page.

Neuralnewt (talk) 16:07, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently this was removed for having an invalid source. We do know that Fr. Mike led a procession of 5,000 Catholics through Times Square.

On 10 October, Father Mike Schmitz held a Mass for peace in Israel followed by a procession of 5,000 Catholics.^[2]

Please add when possible. Twillisjr (talk) 15:13, 15 October 2023 (UTC) Twillisjr (talk) 15:13, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://nos.nl/collectie/13959/artikel/2494207-hoop-dat-het-ze-kracht-geeft-deze-mensen-gingen-de-straat-op-voor-palestina

And add a date to this bit: "A group of students rallied in The Hague to show solidarity with Palestine."

I can't edit the page... Thanks! Spinarak (talk) 20:42, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Added. Iskandar323 (talk) 16:35, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Lede is not a good representative of the content in the main body of the article. The main body is about demonstrations in support of Palestine, but the lede is mainly about support for Israel. And the second paragraph has nothing to do with "protests". Can someone fix the problem? Ghazaalch (talk) 03:10, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article is full of bias Pro-Palestine editors. Twillisjr (talk) 14:37, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I see, the lede is biased and should be fixed. I'll fix it myself.Ghazaalch (talk) 20:18, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a fake news site. They're over 500-1000 attendies on the Plaza earlier from 2 PM- 6 PM (Philippine Time) --NahuelFanboy2004 (talk) 11:00, 16 October 2023 (UTC)https://www.facebook.com/radyobanderacotabato/posts/pfbid022JUxm1VoRibxFnuZrbw73gxJHjfABAZF6SQC281FiaMjpeiXcN9T1U5mj171juRil[reply]

https://nos.nl/collectie/13959/artikel/2494485-dit-is-wat-we-nu-weten-over-het-bloedbad-bij-het-ziekenhuis-in-gaza

"In Nederland verzamelden mensen zich in Amsterdam, Rotterdam en Den Haag met onder meer Palestijnse vlaggen. Deze betogingen verliepen grotendeels rustig." EN: "In the Netherlands, people gathered in Amsterdam, Rotterdam and The Hague with, among other things, Palestinian flags. These demonstrations went largely peacefully"

This happened right after the al-Ahli Arab Hospital explosion. I can't edit the page. Thanks in advance to whoever wants to add this to the Netherlands' section.

I feel like this page is almost too difficult to keep complete with all pro/anti-demonstrations and protests from and for both sides. Spinarak (talk) 11:43, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.rbb24.de/politik/beitrag/2023/10/berlin-terroranschlaege-hamas-israel-solidaritaetsdemo-vor-brandenburger-tor-sonntag.html

Two commons images: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Israel_solidarity_protest_Berlin_2023-10-08_19.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Israel_solidarity_protest_Berlin_2023-10-08_98.jpg

One of these image is being used on the page, but a reference to this protest wasn't added to the Germany section

I can't edit the page, thanks in advance to whoever wants to add this Germany's section. Spinarak (talk) 11:42, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The lead specifically states that both pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian protests are happening. Please include that in the objectives. Borgenland (talk) 18:53, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]