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Lugia2453

Final (52/23/4); Scheduled to end 22:33, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Bureaucrat discussion commenced at 04:41, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Closed as no consensus following bureaucrat discussion. –xenotalk 16:50, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination

Lugia2453 (talk · contribs) – I would like to put forward Lugia2453 for the consideration of the community. I have personally come into contact with this user whilst working at AFC and on Huggle, and have found him to be patient with inexperienced editors and seemingly immune from drama. Lugia2453 has a clean block log (if we ignore the 22 minutes for which he was blocked by accident) and an extraordinary edit count - over 62,000 - for a user who has been here for about 15 months. I am confident he has the judgement and grasp of policy to be a great admin. Jamesx12345 21:33, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I am pleased to accept this nomination. I'm sure that I will make a great administrator, for the reasons that James nominated me for. I hope that my answers to your questions will show why I would do well with administrative work. Thank you for your nomination. Lugia2453 (talk) 21:39, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. Please answer these questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
A: I intend to take part in cleaning out the speedy deletion nomination backlog, working in WP:AIV and WP:UAA, and working in Articles for Deletion. I know I haven't done much work in AfD in the past few weeks, but if you look through my contributions, I have done a good amount of work there by voting by consensus and doing non-admin closures. These areas are where I intend to take part in because I have the most experience in working in these areas. I have a lot of reverts (I've reverted things that weren't vandalism by mistake, but mistakes happen, so I hope you don't find this to be a problem), I've reported many users to AIV and UAA, and I've done a lot of work in CSD tagging in article space, user space, and in Articles for Creation.
2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
A: My best contributions to Wikipedia come from Articles for Creation and from the work I've done to improve new articles. Every day, I work at Articles for Creation, both with reviewing submitted articles and reviewing submitted categories and redirects. I have accepted many articles through this process, and when I don't accept an article, I help the submitter in knowing why I did not accept their article. I have also accepted many redirects and categories through that process. For improving new articles, something that I like to do is help improve the articles of users who are new to Wikipedia. These articles tend to need some work, so I help in improving them. I've also tried to save articles that are up for speedy deletion that I feel need improvement and not deletion by changing/improving them in the area that they were nominated for. Just recently, I contested the speedy deletion nomination of Return on Sustainability and tried to improve the article by adding more references and deleting content that users may find promotional.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: I have not been in any big conflicts that were too crazy, although I have been in some small conflicts such as conflicts where I reverted something as vandalism that shouldn't have been reverted and the user let me know about it and why I should not have reverted it. I dealt with it by talking with the user about the problem, which is how I will handle conflicts in the future. I'm not one to seek out conflicts, and as James mentioned in his nomination, I don't get into drama that is caused by conflicts. In these kinds of situations, I remain calm and do not try to take things too far. It helps everyone, not just you, to listen to the user(s) you are having a conflict with and try to resolve the conflict calmly.
Addional questions from Fiddle Faddle
4. Why do you want to be an administrator here?
A: I want to be an administrator here because I have done a lot of work in admin-related areas such as CSD tagging, reverting vandalism, and reporting users, and I feel that being an administrator would be a great benefit in areas such as deletion and blocking users. From time to time, I've felt that the deletion process can be a bit slow, because it sometimes takes a while for an administrator to delete an article. If I was made an administrator, I could make this process quicker, since I am on every day, sometimes for hours at a time. Not all administrators can be on every day, so it would be a great help if I was on. For blocking users both for vandalism and username violations, this is something that can also sometimes take a while, and there can sometimes be a rather large backlog, especially at UAA. Having me on every day could help this process go by quicker and stop there from being a large backlog for hours at a time. This can also apply to article protection, since I've gone through times when many IPs and new editors vandalize an article at once, and it takes a while for another administrator to protect an article. If I see that an article is being heavily vandalized, which I will check the RPP backlog for, I will protect the article immediately in order to stop the vandalism.
Those seem to me to be textbook answers to a different question, one that asks "How would you be useful?" I would like to know why you wish to be an administrator. An example might be to answer what it would mean to you personally, or how it would make you feel. I am looking for the desire, the wish, not the utility. Fiddle Faddle 23:16, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Being an administrator would mean a lot to me. I show a lot of desire in helping to rid Wikipedia of vandals, which is why I have a lot of reverts and reports and AIV and UAA. It explains my extraordinary amount of edits for a user who has been here for 15 months, and why I have many barnstars from people who have seen my reverts over the past year. This is something that I have been doing since my first day here, and having the admin tools would help me more in doing what I like doing most here. I've been wanting to become an administrator since I made a request for adminship at the Simple English Wikipedia this May. Although that request failed, I had a number of support votes from users who thought I would make a great administrator. That gave me hope that I could make a great administrator on Wikipedia with a community that supported me as one. Even though the Simple English Wikipedia has a different community than this one, James' nomination shows I have support, as little or as much as it may be, for becoming an administrator here.
5. delete, or preserve, or improve: As an editor, which do you choose today and why? How do the choices you make in this as an editor inform your future actions as an administrator?
A: Most of the time, I choose to improve. If I feel that an article has the potential to be notable enough for inclusion, or is clearly notable but needs improvement in terms of sourcing and/or structure, I choose to improve the article. The only times I choose to delete from the start is when the subject clearly isn't notable, is vandalism, is complete nonsense, is an obvious advertisement, is a copyright violation, or is an attack page. If it's something like an article about some random middle school kid, I'll put it up for deletion because I know the person won't be notable. If I think the subject may not be notable, but there's a possibility that it may be based on the article's attempt to explain the subject's notability, I'll look for reliable sources, and if I find none, I will nominate the article for deletion. Based on the choices I make as an editor, this will affect my future actions as an administrator by how long it takes for me to choose whether to delete an article or not. If it's vandalism or an attack page, I'll delete the article immediately. If it's based on the article's notability, I'll look to see if the subject may be notable before choosing whether to delete it or not. If it's based on the lack of context/content, I'll wait and see if the article creator adds to the article. I'll also wait if it's a copyright violation, so I can see if the article creator will make changes so that the article is in their own wording.
6. An editor has been suggested to be an obvious vandal. They are obnoxious in their attitude and persistent in believing they are correct and insisting upon their edits. No warning procedures have been followed and the suggestion of vandalism was made directly to you on your talk page. How do you proceed?
A: Since I believe in warning editors before blocking them except in certain circumstances such as block evasion, a username violation, or if the account is clearly promotional in nature, what I would do is give them an only warning, and if they continue with their actions, I would block them. Some vandals may stop after a warning, so I would find it hard to block them without a warning except in the circumstances I described. In fact, if the user hasn't been warned at all, I would most likely decline an AIV report and choose to warn the editor instead of blocking them.
7. After discourse with or observation of the work or style of an editor whose edits you feel are disruptive, you determine that they appear to show the traits of, for example, editors described in WP:AUTISM. How do you proceed?
A: How I would deal with this is to have a discussion with the editor in question, and see how they respond. If they respond in bad faith or fail to respond at all, it's likely that they are a bad-faith editor. If they respond in good faith, on the other hand, I'll talk with them further about their edits and explain why I think their edits are disruptive.
Sometimes an editor such as this, one whose abilities differ from one's own in a significant manner, have their significant abilities concealed by their personal challenges. Sometimes this presents itself as disruptive behaviour which is not intended. Indeed they can fail to understand that what they perceive as helpful editing is viewed by the majority as difficult, disruptive, vandalism, nonsense, (choose any awkward descriptor here). The editor disagrees with you, and becomes frustrated, exhibiting that frustration by, for example, appearing to go forum shopping to complain about the unfairness of it all, or by some other action we consider to be inappropriate. How do you continue?
If it isn't intended as disruptive, what I feel is the best thing to do is to have a more in-depth discussion with them. I would have to explain edit by edit why these edits are disruptive. What this means is to take some of all of their edits, show them to the user, and explain why each of them are disruptive. This would be a good way for me to handle this without getting frustrated. As for the forum shopping, I would explain to them why this is inappropriate. The best way to go about this would be through not an automated message from a tool, but a message written by me. A message written by me would give more of an explanation of why what they are doing is inappropriate, and it, to me, would be a nicer way of explaining things than an automated message. A level 3 or level 4 automated warning would not be appropriate in this situation, with how harsh they are (I know they're supposed to be, but harshness is not something I would want here).
Additional questions from Pratyya (Hello!)
8. What areas of adminship would you be most comfortable handling? What areas would you be least comfortable handling?
A: I would be most comfortable handling deletion of articles and blocking users. I've put a lot of articles up for speedy deletion and reported a lot of users to both AIV and UAA, so I already have a good amount of experience in these areas. As for what I would be least comfortable handling, it would most likely be with handling copyright problems. I might have a difficult time with determining, if there are copyright problems in an article, whether the whole article should be deleted or if just sections of the article should be deleted.
Additional questions from Wifione Message
9. Thanks for offering to be an administrator. Please provide five of the most recent edits where you wrongly reverted edits of other editors as vandalism.
A:
This edit was reverted by me because of my lack of knowledge of the subject led me to assume it was vandalism.
This edit was reverted by me because I assumed that "Jacob's syndrome" was vandalism. According to the author, it was actually a legitimate alternate name for it, and I wasn't paying attention to the edit summary they included.
This edit was reverted by me because I hadn't paid attention to the fact that was what the section was about.
This edit was reverted by me because I wasn't paying attention to what the article was actually about. I just assumed the alternate names were vandalism.
This edit was reverted by me because I thought the content was vandalism for some reason that I don't remember.
10. Please provide any of your AFD non-admin closures (that you mention you have done a good amount of work in) where the decision was to keep the article. Lastly, please describe the logic that went behind this AFD closing.
A: After looking through my edits to the Wikipedia mainspace, I found that the only times I've done a non-admin closure, other than that one you mention, was when the result was speedy deletion. As for that closure you mention, it was because the result was a speedy redirect due to a user turning the article into a redirect. Since the article was now a redirect, I figured at the time that there wasn't a reason to run the AfD anymore.
Additional question from Stfg (talk)
11. I've been looking at your contributions for a while, and what I'm seeing is a very high volume of routine things like reversions of vandals, templating of vandals, adding banners to talk pages (with templates), creation of requested redirects, disposition of AFCs ... all very basic stuff. This work is great, but what I haven't spotted is substantial content work such as writing, copy editing, sourcing, cleanup; nor any participation in discussions and RFCs about these things. Please could you fill us in on these aspects? Have I missed anything?
A: Well, outside of the routine things that you mentioned, a good amount of what I've done is minor fixes and edits. These are things like capitalization, spelling fixes, and grammar fixes. I've also done some work with Reflinks and HotCat in fixing bare references and adding categories. I've done major edits such as the ones you've mentioned, but otherwise, what I usually do tends to be minor.
Additional comment from nominator This tool (the month given is 9 months out) has a useful summary of edits not performed with a tool. According to this, he has around 8000 of these edits. He has also engaged in discussion at ANI and 3RR a number of occassions. Jamesx12345 15:53, 27 October 2013 (UTC) [reply]
Additional questions from Carrite
12. Have you ever edited Wikipedia under any other user name? If so, what was this name or names?
A: I have not edited Wikipedia under any other user name. This is the only account that I have used.
13. Would you be willing to "opt-in" at the EDIT COUNTER for "Month Counts" and "Top Edited Pages" so that we make take a closer look at your editing patterns?
A: I've just done that.
Thank you. Carrite (talk) 00:59, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Additional question from WereSpielChequers
14. The ability to do inline cites to reliable sources as a core skill for any admin. Especially if you will work in deletion as you will get queries from newbies who want to know what they need to do instead of citing their work to youtube or facebook. So would you mind expanding on your answer to question 2 by listing a few more articles where you have added cited information (or cited existing info to reliable sources)? Thanks:
A:
  • Temra Costa - I added two references to this article the day it was created.
  • Candy Box - I added references to this article to save it from a speedy deletion, since I felt that it was notable enough to have an article; it just needed references.
  • Karl-Heinz Frieser - I added a reliable source to this article to make the sure the notability of the subject was shown.
  • Bunks (film) - I added references as part of the work I did on this article.
Additional question from Epicgenius(give him tirade • check out damage)
15. How much of a wikipediholic are you? What's your score?
A: I'd say I'm about a middle stage wikipediholic. I contribute a lot to the site, but I don't let it take over my life. I've also reduced the time I've spent on other sites to spend time on Wikipedia. I'm part of WikiProject Articles for creation, and that's where I do most of my work outside of article space. Since I accepted this nomination for adminship, I can certainly say I'm in the middle stage. My wikipediholic score is 20,916.
Additional question from Alex Lukic
16. What is your opinion on having 87,37% automated edits? Do you believe that reducing time spent per edit and their quantity is more important than spending more time on determining their value and quality? Thanks.
A: When I accepted this nomination, I knew this would be a problem for some people. My opinion is that it's good in some ways, and bad in other ways. I don't think it's either good or bad. It's good in that it shows that I'm dedicated in keeping Wikipedia free of vandalism, and bad in that it can get in the way of showing my other contributions on the site. From the support and oppose votes, I can see that some people do not mind how most of my edits are automated, while others find it to be a problem. Despite this, I do not believe that reducing time spent per edit and their quantity is more important. When I'm reverting edits, I do take time to look at the edit to see whether or not it's vandalism. If an edit is obviously vandalism, I'll revert it immediately, and for other edits that aren't blatantly vandalism, I'll take some time to think about whether it's vandalism or not.
Additional question from Ottawahitech
17. Which space (other than article space) do you consider most important? Where do you spend your own wiki-time now and where do you plan to be in the next year?
A: Other than article space, the space that I consider most important is Wikipedia space. This is where WikiProjects such as Articles for Creation are, where deletion and other discussions related to the site take place, and where users can report other users who are vandalizing and/or have bad usernames. Most of my wiki-time is spent in article space reverting vandals, helping with new articles, and putting articles up for speedy deletion, and in Articles for Creation. In the next year, I still plan to be working in these areas. I may work more in Articles for Deletion and possibly WP:ANI, but otherwise, I'll probably do most of my work in the same areas that I do now.
Additional question from Kraxler
18. Could you explain what happened yesterday at Absence makes the heart grow fonder? What is the current state of this article? Kraxler (talk) 18:09, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A: I had never seen an article with just that template before yesterday, so I thought the article had no content. I've seen redirects to other articles before, but never an article that simply led to a Wiktionary definition. I realized my mistake when I looked at who wrote this article. To be fair, I did realize my mistake and reverse the tagging very quickly (it's rare for me to make mistakes in CSD tagging. When I tag an article for speedy deletion, most of the time, it's deleted for the reason(s) I tagged it for). Even admins make mistakes from time to time (in James' nomination, he noted that an admin accidentally blocked me for 22 minutes), so I don't find it to be a big deal. Now that I've seen an article with this template, I'll be sure not to make the same mistake again. Right now, the article is in the same state it was when it was created.

General comments

  • Links for Lugia2453: Lugia2453 (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)
  • Edit summary usage for Lugia2453 can be found here.

Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review their contributions before commenting.

Discussion

  • I don't think question #7 is fair. It's essentially asking the candidate to make a medical diagnosis of an editor, something even a psychologist would be unable to do over Wikipedia. Additionally, Wikipedia is not therapy, so it shouldn't matter what behavioral disorders the user may have. If people cannot edit effectively, then they shouldn't edit at all, regardless of whether they are responsible for their actions. Reaper Eternal (talk) 00:20, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am not asking for a medical diagnosis. I am presenting a scenario which administrators are unlucky enough to encounter and need to handle well, with the best possible outcome for all concerned. The question is not unfair at all. Fiddle Faddle 11:30, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree with Reaper, the only correct answer to #7 is to ignore your suspicions (or even the editors' claims) about medical disorders and only judge them on their actions. It's kind of a bad question because answering it honestly and according to policy and practice makes you sound callous. Gigs (talk) 20:04, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support
  1. Support Am I the first one here? I am glad to be the first to offer support for this very commendable candidate. And Adoil Descended (talk) 00:16, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support -- Too bad I didn't get the first support. Oh well....good luck. Great nomination, great candidate. Sportsguy17 01:34, 27 October 2013
  3. Support Don't see any reason not too. Good candidate.--SKATER T a l k 01:57, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support I have often seen the candidate's work. The nomination statement is quite accurate in my opinion. I believe the candidate will do good work in the areas mentioned because that is evident today. Good candidate; should be a very helpful administrator. Donner60 (talk) 03:04, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support My interactions with Lugia have always been positive, I don't think I've ever declined one of their AIV reports. Legoktm (talk) 03:37, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support One of the best vandal-fighters on Wikipedia. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 04:11, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Strong Support Trusted user, friendly editor, does a lot of 'admin' type work here. ///EuroCarGT 04:38, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Support per the others. Trustworthy user. Will be a great help to AIV as an admin. Jianhui67 talk★contribs 06:11, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Support Rzuwig► 09:31, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Support as nominator. I would be very happy to see Lugia handed the tools. Jamesx12345 11:21, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Support Wow. This is a great candidate. Such a hard worker. -Nancyinthehouse (talk) 12:32, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  12. Support - Great candidate, No issues!, Good luck :) -→Davey2010→→Talk to me!→ 15:44, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  13. Support We are all imperfect and the answers show that the candidate is aware of imperfections and works towards solving glaring ones. I am unconcerned that most edits seem to be technical ones rather than creative ones. We cannot all be creative with copy. Fiddle Faddle 16:21, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  14. Support - Wonderful CVN work. Always helping out. TCN7JM 17:00, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  15. Support - I consider the opposes to be reasonable, however they're not especially persuasive. Overall, the candidate is trustworthy and experienced, and should make a fine admin. PhilKnight (talk) 18:37, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  16. Support DavidLeighEllis (talk) 20:45, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  17. Support Ginsuloft (talk) 23:25, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  18. Support - While the opposes below do bring up valid points of criticism, I do not find their concerns sufficient to not support the candidate (I personally see them as areas for continued growth on the part of the candidate rather than persuasive reasons why the user should not be an admin) and I believe that the user is more than qualified to use the tools. Best, Mifter (talk) 23:28, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  19. Support - the candidate frequently makes useful edits to the site - particularly in anti-vandalism. I feel they would make a great admin Oddbodz (talk) 23:50, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  20. Support - I'm a strong supporter of the idea that the Admin toolbox is a kit for vandal fighters and quality-control workers. I have no doubt that this is a person who needs the gear and see no reason to be concerned. Carrite (talk) 01:01, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  21. LlamaAl (talk) 03:02, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  22. Support I'd like to see a little more care with the vandalism reversion, but your willingness to self-revert quickly shows that you're easily persuaded that you've made a mistake and ready to fix the mistake. I'm nit-picking on that because I see no other issues; you look like you'll be a great admin. Nyttend (talk) 13:25, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  23. Support The robotic edits are not impressive to me, and the lack of much involvement outside of such edits is a little concerning. That said, they don't seem like someone who will go off the rails if given a few extra buttons. They clearly are intelligent and thoughtful enough to grow into other areas if they decide to do so in the future. I do hesitate here, but in the end, I support. Gigs (talk) 20:17, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  24. Support I am confident that he is conversant with the skills needed to be an efficient janitor here. Given that he is clearly able to edit content, the ratio of automated to manual edits is not in my opinion relevant.--Anthony Bradbury"talk" 21:51, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  25. Support ~Frosty (Talk page) I am from here I think 22:02, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  26. Support Some concerns about the lack of content work and the large number of robotic edits, but candidate looks like a net positive. Miniapolis 00:51, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  27. Support Yeah. --Pratyya (Hello!) 04:55, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  28. Strong Support I see Lugia mainly blocking the vandals. That kind of work is greatly appreciated by me. buffbills7701 15:07, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  29. Support because my finding claims me to do so Nannadeem (talk) 17:27, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  30. Support. While I often like to see some solid content-building from admin candidates, I do also think there's room for appropriate maintenance/supervision/gnome admins too, and I feel happy to trust Lugia2453 with the tools. And concerning lots of User Talk edits - since when has talking to people been a bad thing? -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 03:19, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Like it's said, the problem is not in the number of edits, but what kind of edits they are. If we have a candidate with >50% edit rate in the article space, while having similar edit count in talk pages, that could mean the cantidate is using Wikipedia for discussing the articles, rather than showing skills in their improvment/editing. Alex discussion ★ 11:01, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not interested in what something "could be" - I prefer to look and see what it is. And I see no problems. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:18, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    (And as an aside, those ratios are similar to my own, and I think I turned out to be OK during my time as an admin -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:20, 30 October 2013 (UTC))[reply]
  31. Support. Anyone who wants to help with backlogs and has shown they are both competent and civil is okay with me. Deb (talk) 12:48, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  32. Support - perhaps I'm biased towards a fellow AfC-er, but edit count and relentless devotion are two qualities that will make them a terrific admin. theonesean 16:53, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  33. Support Dedicated user who will use the mop to make enwiki a better place. Why not? C(u)w(t)C(c) 17:44, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  34. Support - two words: net positive. Phightins is Gone (talk) 18:41, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  35. Support because I agree with Phightins - I think Lugia will be a net positive to the admin corps. I am also unmoved by the oppose section, and I do not feel that significant content creation should be a requisite for adminship. Someguy1221 (talk) 20:47, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  36. Support Seems like a good candidate for admin. Still has a few things to learn, but I think they'll get the hang of it. Kaldari (talk) 22:10, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  37. Support I like this user's attitude towards being an admin and handling Wikipedia's 'important stuff'. Epicgenius(give him tirade • check out damage) 02:07, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  38. Support per Phightins! Furthermore, I think the current requirements for admin candidates have become too demanding. Most people are not probably going to have great experience in every admin-related area and let's face it, unbundling isn't about to happen. AutomaticStrikeout (₵) 04:34, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  39. Support - I thank the candidate for their work to date. Over a thousand AIV reports! Now, I do tend to want admins to have a bit more content building experience than this candidate, but in the end I am swayed by the obvious commitment to making our project a better place. I see no reason to believe the candidate would abuse the tools; quite the opposite, in fact, as Wikipedia is attacked daily by hordes of vandals, many of whom need to be blocked to prevent further damage, and waste editor time, including those who focus on content. Like Someguy1221 I am most unimpressed by the quality of the opposes, many of which seem strained to me. Finally, the answers to the days of questions at the ritual of Rfa are unflaggingly polite and steady. This is someone who is level headed, sees a mess, fixes it, and can use the tools. Hand him a mop, and Happy Halloween. Jusdafax 07:28, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  40. Support, while several concerns in opposition have been brought up, I don't find them terribly convincing. Work at AfC is involvement with content, and no problematic interactions or judgments there have been brought up, nor do I find any. A few misjudged vandalism reverts are an opportunity to learn, but if we did not permit admin candidates who had ever made an error, we would have no admins. I see a good deal of positive work, and nothing serious enough to counter that. Seraphimblade Talk to me 08:23, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  41. Support impressed by self-awareness in Q9. Good AFC work shows CLUE regarding how content is created, so what would normally be a concern is alleviated for me. The vandal fighters free up the content creators to create, let the volunteers decide for themselves how they can best contribute. 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 12:37, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  42. Support Don't see why not. The candidate is likely to be immediately useful as an admin and doesn't seem like the sort of person who is likely to go around acting hastily so we're likely to be instantaneously better off!--regentspark (comment) 12:47, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  43. Support - Sounds like a good choice for admin to me. Great AFC work as well. NFLisAwesome (ZappaOMati's alternate account) 20:46, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  44. Lugia2453 is a very active contributor to administrative aspects of the site, and we could always use more volunteers in that area. I find the opposition wholly unconvincing; a dearth of content creation does not necessarily equate to a lack of empathy for article writers. In the absence of substantive evidence that Lugia himself displays a pattern of recklessness in CSD and elsewhere (as opposed to simple mistakes), I am convinced that supporting him will be beneficial to Wikipedia. Kurtis (talk) 21:27, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  45. Support Initially I considered not participating in this RfA, because just like GiantSnowman in the neutral section below, I was somehow swaying between the options, mostly due to the relatively short editing history of the user. I decided to support, though, because this candidate is most active in some of those areas where admins are needed the most, and I have had nothing but good interaction with him. Hardly a day goes by when I do not see him doing what he does best around the site. Semiautomatic or not; what is the big deal? Anyone seriously complaining of the automated talk page warnings: please try to hunt for vandalism even for one day using Huggle, STiki, or some other application while writing a personalized talk page warning to every single vandal, and we will see how fast you get tired. There just might be a reason why the automated options appear. I can see Lugia blocking vandals at AIV without problems, and if he someday decides to work more on article creating, that is just as fine with me. Giving the tools to a user who does an excellent job maintaining the quality of Wikipedia by fighting vandalism is not taking the tools away from admins who are concentrating on expanding the content. Widr (talk) 22:48, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  46. Support - Per Kurtis and Widr, basically. Lugia2453 does a lot of useful work here and we can't all be content creators. Yintan  01:07, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  47. Support. Good attitude and shows need for the tools to help speedy deletions and block vandals. Regarding Opposes: I also fear limited experience but work in wp:AfC is content-building, and fears of rampant reverts were discounted by others saying candidate approved borderline articles too fast. I predict a fast-working admin (4,200 edits/month) who errs on the side of inclusion, of both articles and people, which can allow senior admins more time to answer complex concerns beyond numerous speedy deletes. -Wikid77 04:28, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  48. Support Good vandal fighter, and good AFC work. Matty.007 13:36, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  49. Support Good answers to the many questions. If this RfA fails, don't give up and don't lose hope. —Soap— 19:57, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  50. Support Have seen the candidate around at AIV and Lugia always has solid reports. Has my trust. SpencerT♦C 05:59, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  51. Support Answer to the questions seem mature and honest enough required for a true admin. Sohambanerjee1998 08:20, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  52. Out of retirement support We need more vandal fighting administrators at this present moment, if RFA was as active as it used to be and we have a decent supply of administrators I would agree with many of the oppose votes. But we are losing administrators at a rapid pace and RFA is a dead zone and I haven't seen one evidence yet while reading this RFA that he would abuse the tools. Just use common sense people. Net positive Secret account 14:00, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    First: Re "Just use common sense people." - Do you mean that the opposers are nonsensical, all of them? Second: Do you mean that Wikipedia is in such dire need, that we need to drag in somebody from the street to give him the mop? The logical consequence of this would be, to scrap RfA, and take any volunteers that appear, including IPs. (FYI, recently two candidates were promoted without an opposing vote, so apparently there are candidates which can pass RfA without any problems, as long as they show a minimum of WP:CLUE). Kraxler (talk) 17:54, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Though I have disagreed strongly with him in the past, I am firmly with Secret on this one. The posted semi-retirement of admin Dennis Brown just yesterday gave me a jolt; we are in fact losing active admins and not replacing them at the same rate. The language used here by Kraxler seems unconstructive to me, to say the least... "drag somebody in from the street to give him the mop?" This candidate lacks "clue?" I say with honest anger: This candidate deserves better treatment than this. I know how hard it is to amass 60k edits, "automated" tools or no. An anti-vandalism specialist should get as much respect as anyone else here, as the job is difficult, endless, and sadly, thankless. The couple dozen opposes are largely grasping at straws in my view, and I say that seeing some names I have the utmost respect for. As of Secret's !vote, the candidate's supporting percentage of 69% is at the low end of the range we call consensus, but I call on the closing 'crat to take the dubious reasoning of the opposes into account. The key concept here, indeed, is Common Sense. Jusdafax 20:19, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I hope what we would all agree upon is that the candidate deserves to have his RfA determined within 24 hours of the notional end of the scheduled 7 days period for consideration. We are at +22 hours and no obvious signs of a 'crat decision/discussion. Leaky Caldron 20:27, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I'll second that, as a few hours or even a half day beyond the closing time is not unusual, but dragging this out further is cruel and unusual punishment to the candidate. I can only assume no 'crat wants to make a call that is going to be controversial either way. At least that is the appearance that this extended delay is starting to give. Jusdafax 20:57, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose for now. @Lugia2453, please don't take this amiss. The work you've been doing here is great and your manners are good, so I'm sure you'll make a fine admin in time. For now, though, I think you haven't yet got quite a broad enough experience to justify the bundled toolkit, and I have some concern about your readiness for some of the judgement calls that admins are required to make. In the case of The Cowboy, you correctly tagged a hoax with {{db-hoax}}, then another editor removed the tag, sent the article to AFD and then made a pre-emptive redirect. I know that redirects are cheap, but some redirects are bad ideas. If someone wants to read about cowboys, they aren't going to begin by typing "The" into the search box, so the only effect of all that was that the other editor got away with preserving a hoax for anyone who knows how to click "History". (I've now changed it to redirect to The Cowboys, which seems more plausible.) I think you should have stuck to your guns with that one, and not closed it as redirect. Kudos to you for owning up to the mistaken reverts in Q9, but with those five restores, you restored gobbledygook once, malformatting twice and uncited WP:CRYSTAL once (without tagging it). It would have been good to Google "Jacob's syndrome" before guessing that it was vandalism. Please don't be discouraged by all this. I anticipating supporting you some time in the future. --Stfg (talk) 16:56, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose There are a combination of reasons why I have to unfortunately oppose this RfA. (a) First is the lack of editing experience and lack of relevant experience of collaboration with other editors on an editing platform. Despite Lugia's 60,000 plus edits, I'm not sure Lugia understands the various issues that an administrator may be called to handle on an editorial front, especially those related to disputes.(b) Lugia's exposure to AFD closures is not significant, despite his mentioning otherwise, given that all the 16 closures (leave one, mentioned in the oppose comment above), were speedy deletes. I would not have minded this, if Lugia hadn't mentioned non-admin closures as one of his strength areas. I would have expected him to be upfront about the same. (c) Lack of edit summaries is a critical issue. Lugia's non-automated edits many a time do not contain any edit summary. (d) Lugia is doing great anti-vandal work, but is slipping on his vandalism assessment occasionally. He mentions some of his mistakes in his answer to my question. But there are other cases too where he reverts editors and doesn't realize his mistakes, this reverting incident for example that he did today. The amount of vandal edit reversions that Lugia does is exemplary; and I commend him for that. But I would ask him to give every reversion a second look, rather than commit mistakes. In conclusion, I should strongly suggest that Lugia takes time out for improving a few articles significantly, collaborates with editors on editorial issues, and reapplies in three months. I am sure that this time invested would make him a more experienced editor, and more competent to handle the tools. I do hope he takes this oppose in the right spirit. Thanks. Wifione Message 18:06, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Oppose No experience in content-building, which is the actual mission of the site, no evidence that the candidate plays well with others. I would need to see how Lugia comports himself in a dispute (content or policy or behavioural) to see what kind of admin he will be - Wikipedia is built on consensus after all. If 60K of automated edits is all that's needed to level up it does not bide well for the future of Wikipedia. Diesel-50 (talk) 19:25, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    There is plenty of evidence that Lugia cooperates with others at ANI and 3RR, as well as on his talk page. I agree the lack of content creation may be seen as an issue by some, but I would contend that until Cluebot is perfect, removing vandalism has a more dramatic effect on the short-term quality of the site. I also take issue with many of his edits being described as "automated" - "assisted" would better describe Huggle and Twinkle, as well as the AFC helper script, with which Lugia does much of his editing. Whilst, as you say, Wikipedia is built on consensus, there are many areas which do not require much discussion. If Lugia being an admin does not bode well for the future of Wikipedia, I suppose it is probably doomed. Jamesx12345 20:08, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    We shouldn't conflate "doing important" work with "doing what demonstrates the qualities of an administrator". I accept that, with an imperfect automated vandalism detector, manual vandalism removal is extremely important, arguably even more important than content creation. However, by the same token, the person responsible for making sure the servers are online is even more important, yet that skill doesn't qualify one to be an admin.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 21:50, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not meaning to suggest that the importance of removing vandalism is a reason for being made an admin, but what I think it does mean is that we should recognise the importance of having enough competent administrators in this area. If, say, administrator privileges were required to change categories, I'm sure we would still promote administrators all the same on the grounds of their work with categories, even though they are less obvious to the average reader. Jamesx12345 22:18, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    That search of yours throws up 12 results, all of them reports. Nowhere do we see Lugia and someone else try to get to the bottom of an issue. Call me unconvinced. Diesel-50 (talk) 20:21, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    More telling would be if he failed to resolve a fairly straightforward issue. Every intractable mess that comes to ANI is looked into by a number of admins and non-admins, and it is perfectly possible to do valid admin work at CSD and AIV without running into many other editors. What I am essentially saying is that most of what an admin does is not really that different from what a regular editor does - after all, it is supposed to be no big deal. The negotiation skills required are way below that of ArbCom, but I would consider Lugia a lot more better than many admins at keeping his cool, which is always the best way forward. Jamesx12345 21:35, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Oppose Unfortunately I am convinced by the first two opposers above. Good answers to questions, but I would like to see at least some effort of article improving before I can fully trust this candidate. At the moment he is too much of a trigger-happy user considering the huge number of automated reverts. Minima© (talk) 21:06, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Oppose. First off, thanks to Carrite for asking Q13. By looking at Lugia2453's edit history, it's a bit difficult for me to determine if this editor thinks that Wikipedia is a place to make constructive edits, or if this place is a social club. I think this is the first editor I have ever seen run for administrator where over 40% of their edits are in the "User Talk:" space! After doing a bit of a dive into these edits, I found that most of these edits are automated warning messages to users, as well as notifications to other users about their WP:AFC submissions. However, in my opinion, I do not consider those constructive edits. To me, that means that most of the time on Wikipedia will be spent doing non-administrative tasks, and for that, I don't see why the mop should be provided if it is not going to be utilized anyways. Also, the alarming amount of warning messages given to other editorss makes me believe that Lugia2453 will spam the heck out of any editor, scaring away potentially-good editors from providing good edits to Wikipedia after they were nagged about a slight mistake. Given the amount of total edits this user has, it will take a long while for Lugia2453 to offset their amount of edits in the "User Talk:" space, and I'm not sure I will even be alive that long. Steel1943 (talk) 08:33, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    @Steel1943: I think that's unfair. When you revert a vandal, you warn them. When you process an editor's AFC, you tell them what the decision is. That's not an indication of social clubbery, nor of any tendency to "spam the heck" out of people; it's just a case of doing those particular jobs properly. --Stfg (talk) 09:11, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    @Stfg, yes, it is common practice, and good practice, to give new editors and true vandals warnings to let them know that their actions are not appropriate on Wikipedia. What Lugia2453 has proven to me with their choice of having a large portion of their edits in the User Talk: namespace is that they are great at judging WP:AFC entries, using automated tools in Wikipedia and finding vandalism, but by performing these tasks (primarily) have neither shown that Lugia2453 possesses the experience or the need for access to the administrative tools, especially since none of the aforementioned tasks require having access to the administrative tools to perform advanced functions of those tasks (such as deleting a page, performing moves over redirects with a high amount of edit history, etc.) I am alarmed by the fact that Lugia2453 has a lack of any substantial amount of edits in namespaces that administrators often oversee as part of their inherited responsibilities. I would like to see more edits in either the Wikipedia: or the Talk: space; most administrative actions that can be taken by non-administrators (but only if they are ultimately able to determine a very wise consensus) happen in these two namespaces, with the Talk: space being used for WP:RM closes, and the Wikipedia: space being used for about every other type of close. Even though Lugia2453 does have over 2000 edits in the Wikipedia: space, all of the top 10 pages edits in the Wikipedia: space (per Lugia2453's edit counter) are not pages where a non-admin can perform any of the more controversial administrative work. Steel1943 (talk) 15:59, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Oppose. I am uncomfortable with extending trust to an editor without some evidence of encyclopedia building. With such trivial/automated/templated edits, there is no evidence that the candidate has good judgement or the ability to communicate with other editors. The speedy editing with occasional errors is not a big deal with vandalism reversion (as long as the errors are corrected), but takes on a more serious note if editors were to be wrongly blocked or pages deleted after inadequate consideration. Espresso Addict (talk) 16:36, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Oppose The candidate doesn't seem to have made any significant contributions to any one article. Vandalism reversion is of course an important job, but it's also kind of mindless and game-like. Additionally they seem keen to collect the admin hat given the Simple Wikipedia request and now this after just over a year of editing, which I always find a little concerning Jebus989✰ 20:47, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    @Jebus989: I was the one who approached Lugia to ask about a nomination, to which he replied "It's totally out of the blue for me, but why not?" I appreciate your point about his not having concentrated on any article in particular, but a large proportion of articles at AFC inevitably require formatting and copyediting, which can be seen from his edits. I think it is unfair to discriminate against candidates who have not written GAs and FAs; some people don't enjoy writing, or don't have any expert knowledge (I don't believe either applies to Lugia). It seems to me perverse that content creation is valued more highly at AFC than reverting vandalism, when it is for vandalism that the tools are actually needed. Just my thoughts. Jamesx12345 21:15, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    To elaborate on this, I had been thinking about wanting to become an administrator, but I never really gave an admin nomination a serious thought until James approached me with an offer to nominate me for admin. That explains the reply I gave to him when I emailed him. Lugia2453 (talk) 21:36, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, the fact they were approached out of the blue does somewhat alleviate my concerns about keenness. It's not the case, of course, that admin tools are required to revert vandalism, and if AIV was regularly on its knees it would be harder to oppose such a candidate but that doesn't currently seem to be the case. Jebus989✰ 22:05, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    AIV isn't quite on its knees, but it sometimes takes upwards of 40 minutes for cases to be looked at, and I think in times like those the quality of reviewing does suffer a bit. Another regular admin there might provide a bit more redundancy and allow other users to elsewhere. That said, however, we are here to assess to candidate and not the need for a candidate, so that's a moot point. On the need for admin tools to combat vandalism, I think I would be about twice as useful if I had the tools. Deleting pages instead of tagging them, and blocking users instead of reverting them, would be more effective than keeping their contributions open in a tab and refreshing them every few minutes till I see that they have been blocked, and I'm sure Lugia would agree with that sentiment. Jamesx12345 22:58, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Re: your moot point, I know and I have given my opinion on the candidate. I'll add that the role of the nominator is to present the candidate and make an initial introduction, repeatedly questioning opposers and answering questions on behalf of the candidate is IMO in excess of that role Jebus989✰ 23:19, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm just trying to answer on behalf of the candidate, and apologise if you feel I'm going too far. I'm happy to step back a bit. Jamesx12345 16:37, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Oppose. Answers to some questions (particularly question 7) seem a little wide of the mark and suggest a lack of familiarity with admin processes. Also, the extremely high edit count over relatively little tenure does not inspire me that the candidate has the breadth of experience needed to join the admin corps at this time. Perhaps 6 to 12 months down the line, with a wider experience of Wikipedia, I would be inclined to support. Bellerophon talk to me 07:29, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Oppose - no content creation almost no content creation, lots of automated messages, admittedly reverting and re-reverting without knowledge of the subject of the articles, weak answers to questions. Overall, too clueless to be an admin. Kraxler (talk) 13:44, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    To be fair, there is a bit of content creation: How Beer Saved the World and Extreme cold warning (listed on his userpage) were created by the candidate. --Stfg (talk) 14:09, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    To be fair, I redacted my original post. Okay, 2 articles created. The problem with these articles is that the "references" cited are dead links, or blogs, or commercial websites full of advertising, and trivia, with a minimum of info on the subject of the article. This stuff should rather be in the "External links" sections, per WP:RS and other guidelines. Kraxler (talk) 14:41, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Not to mention that neither article demonstrates the significance of the topic (if any) in the slightest. Espresso Addict (talk) 17:50, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The point is well taken, Espresso Addict. There's a similar problem with Temra Costa (autobio by non-notable one-book writer trying to drum up audience) and Bunks (film) (non-notable cast) (see answer to Q 14). Instead of adding references, these articles should have been tagged for deletion. Kraxler (talk) 17:24, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Oppose I'd like to see greater breadth in the experience of an admin candidate. wctaiwan (talk) 17:21, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Oppose too much automated edits/reverts, lack of experience in articles' content, and candidate's communication with other users could be better. If these issues are improved for say 12-18 months it's likely that the user will get my support, but for now no. Alex discussion ★ 19:38, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  12. Oppose Less than 50% edits in article-space, with 42% edits to user talk pages. Joefromrandb (talk) 00:34, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  13. Oppose based on somewhat limited breadth of experience in areas where admin tools are used, particularly per Wifione, Bellerophon and Wctaiwan. Would look to support next time, when such issues have been demonstrably addressed. Should this request be unsuccessful, I trust that the candidate will continue his current valuable work with enthusiasm. -- Trevj (talk) 15:12, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  14. The absolute last thing Wikipedia needs is yet another non-content-creator working in deletion-related fields.—S Marshall T/C 17:58, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  15. Oppose (moved from neutral) I have been vacillating back and forth between support and oppose, but in the end, I think many of the objections put forward here are too serious. I hope the candidate will continue the good work they have been doing and come back here better prepared in another 6 months or so. --Randykitty (talk) 22:01, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  16. Oppose. My own research concurs generally with the other participants in this section so there is no need for me to repeat it all. In addition however, I'm always wary of of editors who main occupation is to police the project rather than build it, but although some, especially younger users, join Wikipedia with the express intention of becoming an admin, I do not believe that this is the case here. One of the best vandal fighters on Wikipedia perhaps, and it's a vital task, but anti-vandalism does not an encyclopaedia build. 57,413 (87.37%) edits are automated of which 46,400 are Huggle and 5,767 are Twinkle - including probably the majority of the 26,716 user talk messages. There are an impressive 1,316 reports to AIV but again that's not hard to achieve if vandal fighting is basically most of what one does. I see there have been significant contributions to AfC (a system about which I am particularly concerned) and Wikipedia needs all the help it can get there. I cannot support however due to the minimal actual content building and experience in many other areas, which summa summarum fall very short of my criteria. If Lugia2453 could take time off from his machine gun shooting of vandalism for 6 to 12 months and spread his talents around the other semi admin areas more, I think there would be a fair chance of a future run being successful. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:13, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  17. Oppose Another example of a fine contributor doing great work on WP but also lacking experience and judgement in some key areas. I commend the vandal and AfC work and am very impressed with the high number of WP:AIV submissions and high edit numbers. However I have significant concerns such as lack of judgement (vandal patrol), lack of content creation and lack of meaningful interaction with other editors-- both in creating content and in resolving disputes. The Edit Counter report shows that his/her ten most edited articles only received 15 to 35 edits each. I don't see any serious content development, no less some GA level work here. Also, in the candidate's remarks they give Return on Sustainability as an example of an article they helped build up after they contested an SD nomination. But when I look there I see only 4 minor edits and the addition of 2 sources in the 5th edit to the article. That's OK, nice work, but that's not an example of content development. Secondly is the candidates lack of interaction with other editors at talk pages, noticeboards etc. When I take a look at Lugia2453's talk page I see that 85% of all posts on his/her talk page go unanswered, even when the editor is making a direct request. There are instances [1] [2] where new users asked for help after Lugia has blocked their submission in one form or another and Lugia appears to have ignored their requests. So my suggestion to Lugia is to drop the vandal patrol and AfC work and plunge themselves into content creation, talk page and notice board work and come back in 6 months or so, when they feel they are really ready. Meanwhile keep up the great work!-- — Keithbob • Talk • 22:08, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  18. If memory serves me correctly, I believe I've had some interaction with Lugia2453, and it's been good. Unfortunately, I side with most of the opposers here that Lugia needs broader experience at Wikipedia before becoming an administrator. Hopefully, this won't discourage you because this is not a negative oppose. As others have said, if you want to become an administrator, stop doing what you're comfortable doing and start exploring other areas of Wikipedia that would demonstrate your ability to become an admin. Best of luck.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:57, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  19. I see a considerable work at AfC, but not all of it is good. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Under the Lights at the Big House for an example of an article approved into mainspace that very clearly should not have been. For World Trade Center of Grenoble, I would not have accepted it in the state it was in--I would either have sent it back with instructions about what parts to remove, or removed it myself. See the very recent decline at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Richardson Electronics--it was correct not to accept it, but the repeated tries would indicate to me that the contributor needs some proper assistance, not just the formulated notice. (And I would have considered G11, or at least indicated that as a problem) Similarly for Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Dr. Sanjay Kolte. For Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jade de LaFLeur, again the article was correctly not accepted, though the reason given--lack of inline citations--is not the worst of the problems. Similarly, for Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Like Sunday, Like Rain, the contributor needed to be told about WP:CRYSTAL. I think all of this is due, first, to using the availability of semi-automated editing to go too fast to think sufficiently and give proper advice, and, second, to lack of familiarity with content policies. Such familiarity can best be gained by write articles and participating actively in discussions about them. (I have listed only problems within the last few days, when the ed. should have known to be extra careful. ) DGG ( talk ) 00:25, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  20. Oppose Sorry I have to echo most of the people above. Although I don't necessarily believe you have to be a content creator to be a good admin. -DJSasso (talk) 16:51, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  21. Oppose - we certainly don't need more admins who add no content to WP, and whose only purpose is to play the patronizing card disrupting the work of knowledgeable editors who do take the time to research in good faith and add content. Worldedixor (talk) 21:17, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Are you suggesting that's what Lugia2453 is bound to do? If so, would you care to explain why you think that? Yintan  01:16, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Please refer to the arguments made above, summarized by the discussion in 9. Worldedixor (talk) 01:51, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The arguments above are indeed valid arguments. But claiming that Lugia2453's "only purpose is to play the patronizing card disrupting the work of knowledgeable editors" is something else. Yintan  22:58, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  22. Oppose Insufficient (and what little there is is inadequate) core activity, i.e. creating new and developing existing content. Core policies WP:N, WP:V, WP:RS and WP:BLP require considerable exposure to article work to enable Admins to operate effectively and the candidate lacks such practical experience. Leaky Caldron 11:18, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  23. I have been "on the fence" for this RfA, deciding to oppose. I concur with concerns iterated regarding csd/afd deletions by an admin with insufficient content creation to establish clue in the core areas of content inclusion. I am also concerned that the candidate is more concerned with edit count than accuracy, exemplified by his review of AFC submissions, averaging less than two minutes from one decline to another.—John Cline (talk) 17:55, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Neutral (moved to oppose) for now. Great vandal fighter. But I'm worried a bit about the answer to Q11. Yes, Lugia2453 has racked up an enormous amount of edits in a short time, but over 87% of these are automated edits (note that this tool does not count HotCat or Reflinks edits). --Randykitty (talk) 15:46, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Correct, but doesn't this only prove that this user is able to properly use automation, which will include sysop tools? Sportsguy17 16:27, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Probably, although the tools and especially their use are not the same. Still, I would have liked to see at least some content creation beyond typos and such. --Randykitty (talk) 16:40, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Neutral - no real reason to support, no real reason to oppose. I've swayed between the two a number of times. GiantSnowman 09:39, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Neutral. Many good AfD comments. Lacking content creation. Occasional mischaracterizations as "vandalism". Axl ¤ [Talk] 12:52, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Neutral. I can't support due to some of the concerns already mentioned in the section above (lack of content creation, high % of automated edits etc), but I value the candidate's contributions too much to outright oppose. Keep up the good work :) — sparklism hey! 11:23, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  4. I've been wavering over whether I might support on the grounds of clear commitment to helping the project, but DGG's oppose just raises too many questions about whether the candidate really has the needed experience working with content. Please take a little time to work in non-automated areas and get some more experience discussing content on article talk pages, and I'll be very likely to support you the next time. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:25, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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