Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A4 (Adele album)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to 30 (Adele album). Title officially confirmed. (non-admin closure) — Kochas 15:57, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Unconfirmed album with an unconfirmed title. This is becoming a farm of sockpuppets as well (Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Zhmailik). (CC) Tbhotch^™ 20:14, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:48, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Draftify Per crystal. Not ready for the encyclopedia. I see some hashtagging of A4 but we need to draftify until such time as the A4 materializes. Lightburst (talk) 21:56, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: I do not see any reports that this album will be called A4, and the information from this article is already contained in the Adele article. I think it would be best to wait until there are more official announcements to create an article for this upcoming album. I do not see this as a useful redirect and I do not thin draftifying it is necessary either. Aoba47 (talk) 01:48, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• This has become a redirect to Upcoming Adele album, but I still think this should be deleted as there is no evidence of A4 being the album title (or even speculation that it would be). Aoba47 (talk) 01:15, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete and move speculation to the Adele article for now. CaffeinAddict (talk) 02:53, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Draftify - Should have never been moved to this made-up title. Needs to be kept for attribution purposes as a cut-and-paste move involved content from this page.--NØ 13:20, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and move to "30 (Adele album)" - Going to boldly vote keep after detailed interviews about the album in British Vogue and Vogue. It is clear from a Google search that 30 is the functional title for this album among reliable secondary sources, with virtually none opting for "A4".--NØ 20:03, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Draftify You all do that to Lil Nas X album, even when the album had official announcement, you still make it as draft, until it really released on music stores! Now, let's see if you all do that too to Adele (white + straight)'s album. -GogoLion (talk) 14:22, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete no album title has actually been announced, and I highly doubt it'll be something like "A4" anyway. We've got nothing concrete to work with at the moment. Fails WP:FUTUREALBUMS for sure. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 03:59, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:45, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Drafity or keep – Clearly more and more information is going to come out about the album within the coming weeks or even days, so what's the point of removing when it's going to be recreated soon enough anyway? JE98 (talk) 14:53, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Whoever created this article knew damn well that this can't be the official title of this album as there has been no other official announcements by Adele herself and/or her management, record label, or any related entities other than a digital billboard with the number "30" being displayed across the world and a confirmed song title that was literally just announced almost 4 hours ago. mediafanatic17 talk 17:43, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Procedural Comment - The AfD template under discussion here has been manipulated with different titles and the album article was redirected to Adele's article. All of those actions messed up the internal bluelinks for the AfD discussion, and some of them were conducted by User:GogoLion who submitted a pointed and non-policy vote above. Everything has been restored to the previous state so the templates work properly. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 20:11, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - There is no use for an article with this title because there is no evidence yet of the album's true title, while this version merely repeats current events that are already covered in the history at Adele's page. That info is no great loss and the same stuff can be copy/pasted when there is enough info available for a true article on the album and its real title. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 20:14, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Drafity or keep its coming out soon, no need to delete and then rewrite it again just in a few weeks Sokuya (talk) 07:56, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Move to draft till album is released. This is Paul (talk) 10:46, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Move to draft. A Vogue interview of Adele just dropped, giving a lot of content/idea on the new album's background, conception and music. I think a draft would be convenient so that we can develop it further, while also sustaining the information that's already in the article. Ronherry (talk) 20:14, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and move to Untitled Adele album – "Untitled" for now, because no title has been confirmed yet, still the article itself is already justified. While the "30" billboards weren't the most reliable excuse for the article yet, it has been clear the official announcement is going to drop any day (making this discussion irrelevant). With the Vogue coverage, it's now clear it's not too soon any more (per Wikipedia:FUTUREALBUM), and it's an exception within the TenPoundHammer's Law. Same goes with the likes of Untitled Los Angeles Lakers project, Untitled David O. Russell project, Untitled Mario film, Untitled Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse sequel, or Untitled fifth Indiana Jones film. — Kochas 00:58, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  You're missing the part where this was copied without attribution by a sockpuppet [[[Adele#2018–present:_Upcoming_fourth_album|from here]]. Nothing here is relevant enough to maintain it solely because Adele's return is popular at the moment. Untitled Adele album should be redirected to Adele#2018–present:_Upcoming_fourth_album until it is something more than a "She's returning". (CC) Tbhotch^™ 01:35, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Adele#2018–present: Upcoming fourth album. Still fails WP:FUTUREALBUM per nom. SBKSPP (talk) 02:20, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Adele#2018–present: Upcoming fourth album per nom.4meter4 (talk) 18:26, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Move to draft it's an up coming album, it will be in draft space until the album be released. Brayan ocaner (talk) 00:09, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Note to Admins - The article in question has been moved (re-titled) several times, first as "A4" then as "30" and currently as "Upcoming Adele album", as the voters here debated whether we know the album's true title. We still don't, and the current article title is a violation of WP:CRYSTAL. All this page moving has probably messed up the history pages and relevant links. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 17:41, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Doomsdayer520: Thank you for your vote. For the moment there I thought I'd have your point and move the article, however I've just studied WP:CRYSTAL, and it looks like its first rule describes just the case we're discussing here:

Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. Dates are not definite until the event actually takes place [...]. If preparation for the event is not already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented.

Since the beginning of this discussion, at least those two Vogue interviews were published with the singer herself describing the upcoming album in detail. So what more notable than unprecedented two cover stories at once? So as I mentioned earlier, I would move the article to Untitled Adele album, not "Upcoming," until the title is officially confirmed (per examples I've listed above). We don't need move the article to draft, we've got multiple paragraphs already, with sufficient amount of reliable, mainstream sources referenced. — Kochas 22:19, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and redirect to "30 (Adele album)", since it has been officially confirmed by Adele herself, both the album and its name. himeros disc 14:37, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep and move to 30 (Adele album), as User:Hímeros said above. ~BappleBusiness^[talk] 15:04, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and change this ridiculous title to its proper one. It's already been announced that this album is coming out. To sit here and act like after 19, 21, and 25, that this album wouldn't be called another age (it was already ostensible that would be 30, now it's confirmed) is really just quite stupid. Trillfendi (talk) 15:09, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.