Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2021 in home video

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The result was delete. Consensus to delete all. Ping me if you need to recover content for any reason. Tone 15:40, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2021 in home video

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See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2022 in home video. This list fails WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:NOTCATALOG. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 14:27, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reasons:

Comment - It's kind of hard to remember this, but home video used to be a really huge thing, with video rental shops in every town, city, and even medium-sized village in most of the western world. My village had three of them by the early 1990's. Billboard used to publish lists of top video sales/rentals, and "top video of the year" sued to be an actual thing that people would actually write about. Looking at potential sources (e.g., this book, this book) well, it seems that a history of the video industry is going to be pretty long... but it's going to end before 2021. FOARP (talk) 14:55, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @FOARP: That information can be included in a single article (home video, history of home video, etc.) These articles are used to state when a film is released on DVD or Blu-ray, and use an unreliable source (WP:RSP/BLURAY). Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 14:58, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty agnostic on this. I mean there absolutely are sources that discuss the events of, say, 1986 in home video (e.g., 1 and 2). Now maybe I'm just high on nostalgia about going to my local video rental shop to rent Weird Science or Ewoks: The Battle for Endor, but I'm not totally sold that a yearly approach (or maybe a decade-based approach?) is totally out of order for this subject area. FOARP (talk) 15:35, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For this to work it would need to be chart based. If there were a solid sales and/or rental charts for home video in various major international markets then that could provide a basis for a article content. These articles are so far from that that I don't think that they would be any help to anybody starting out on such an endeavour. One example of how this might possibly work is something like 2016 in video games although that's not great either. It starts out OK with lists of top games defined by various metrics but then devolves into less discriminate lists later. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:30, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. TartarTorte 15:46, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that what we need is some kind of WP:LISTN-passing annual chart articles rather than these ones. FOARP (talk) 08:15, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. TartarTorte 15:46, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all as indiscriminate lists. They are far too arbitrary in their inclusion. The fact that only the US and Canada are considered. The fact that each list contains only a tiny fraction of the home videos released in that year. The referencing is poor. For example, the 2016 one is referenced almost entirely to Amazon pages where you can stream and/or buy the videos. It is not clear what the "Box office" figures mean. Home video sales? Including rentals or not? Total revenue including cinema? Across which markets? (US and Canada again, maybe?) To what date? Between WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:NLIST I don't think this has a chance. After all, we don't attempt anything like this for things like album releases. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:20, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see that List of years in home video has been added. That is a redirect. I don't know if we are allowed to discuss redirects here. Anyway, I'm neutral on that one. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:34, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 19:22, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 19:23, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all. Per year 2022 nomination and WP:NOTCATALOGUE. This is essentially just a list of Amazon links to movie releases that readers can purchase DVD or other media. There is nothing encyclopedic about listing every single home media release that is available in a particular year nor advertising one of the biggest online movie distributors in the world. Ajf773 (talk) 19:24, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Could the nominator also add 2016 in home video television and 2017 in home video television to the discussion as well, they are essentially the same category. Ajf773 (talk) 19:25, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 19:29, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well spotted. I have no idea how "home video television" is meant to be distinct from "home video" in general. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:34, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@DanielRigal: Television series which were released on home video, rather than movies. Onetwothreeip (talk) 02:12, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all It's not unreasonable to look at List of American films of 2017 and presume that most would be released on home video that year or the following year. I don't see the value in of a directory compiling the dates of release on VHS, DVD, or Blu-ray. The amount made at box office is not even relevant to home video... Reywas92^Talk 20:12, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all Almost comically outdated— I mean, even by the time WP was launched in 2001 home video was quickly losing its novelty status. By now we might as well be listing “[year] in Amazon Prime streaming”. Dronebogus (talk) 21:06, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all As per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2022 in home video, they lack references supporting that WP:NLIST is met. MrsSnoozyTurtle 21:19, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete All - Per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2022 in home video, it's comical it goes back to 71'.U683708 (talk) 22:34, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all sadly I agree, I will miss these pages but I’m gonna move on from these pages Esaïe Prickett (talk) 00:11, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all I prefer to have all of these pages on this site so I can look at the movies and shows that have been released on those dates. 24.159.56.127 (talk) 01:38, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- See WP:ILIKEIT. That is not a reason to keep the articles. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 03:30, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all, WP:NOTCATALOG. Pikavoom ^Talk 07:15, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all - Happy to delete. Probably some general history article combined with annual chart-articles is needed to cover this rather than these indiscriminate articles, this is a WP:TNT case. FOARP (talk) 08:15, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all as per WP:NOTCATALOG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:31, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Salvage certain parts -- I think salvaging the actual historical stuff, that isn't just releases, is worth doing into some sort of History of home video article. I glanced at 1980, and they had noted when Disney entered the home video market, etc. This stuff strikes me as encyclopedic. So I would say that those sections (at least parts of them) might be worth saving and consolidating into one larger historical overview, while getting rid of the lists themselves. matt91486 (talk) 17:24, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I hate to use such a dismissive sounding ref, but why not WP:DOIT then? Dronebogus (talk) 18:07, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - I suspect that we already have most of it covered already but if anything is not already included in the History section of Home video then it could be added there. I'm doubtful as to whether there is enough to justify spinning that out as a separate article. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:09, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - Perhaps that's more of a time commitment than I can personally make to Wikipedia at this time. matt91486 (talk) 18:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all, as much as I like these pages I'll have to admit they're not really that great. The 90s ones don't even have all of the titles while the 2010s have way too many. Do we really need to know exactly when Big Ass Spider! got onto home video? Does anyone care enough about that film to warrant its inclusion? I'd say this is more suited for Moviepedia. MightyArms (talk) 02:49, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree with you, MightyArms. Esaïe Prickett (talk) 19:44, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per nom and WP:IINFO. Also, reliable sources within these nominated pages fail WP:V (in particular especially WP:RSPAMAZON and WP:RSP/BLURAY). Chompy Ace 00:22, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all , I'm a common wikipedia user and these pages have been useful forever. I am who wikipedia was created for. Also I hate deletionists.
- Um… good luck with that. Dronebogus (talk) 01:04, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Snow delete all per the same reason I gave in the first AfD. Plus what everyone else has said here and the fact that unless something extremely drastic happens before this closes there's literally zero way this close any other way then delete. P.S. way to put the deletionists in their places by voting keep on an AfD that has almost zero chance of being kept. Just an FYI, but there's plenty of AfDs out there with less clear outcomes that could use more opinions if you really care about articles being kept. --Adamant1 (talk) 03:24, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. In general, certain years like 2006 tend to receive far too much speculation from certain sectors of folk. Without a rigorous verification system in place, these go unchecked allowing for massive amounts of citogenesis. Perhaps this could be of use to another website, but it's far too niche and those that are into it fixate on certain releases a bit too much. In general, this whole section (at least in the last few years) reeks of WP:CRUFT. And this is coming from an insider who enjoys collecting these releases as well as expanded parts of the various video format articles like DVD and DIVX. While it is an interesting topic, in this day and age where home video is all but a niche community and some members of said community leave things unchecked, it's time to move on before the misinformation begins to circulate for too long. TheBuddy92 (talk) 06:12, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Couldn't have said it better myself. MightyArms (talk) 01:58, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per WP:NOTCATALOG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:32, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.