Talk:2025 Vancouver car attack

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There’s already been someone who vandalized the page to say the motive was related to grand theft auto six and 200 people died, perhaps we should do something to stop them from vandalizing this page again? 206.45.159.67 (talk) 16:58, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like it is mainly one ip at the moment and they have been blocked. Might be worth keeping an eye on though. Knitsey (talk) 17:02, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

if vandalizing continued after IP ban on that user, we may rise a Request for semi-protection here. Haers6120 (talk) 17:04, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

how is "Attack" not a terrorist incident? JaxsonR (talk) 18:33, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Officially, Vancouver (and Canadian) authorities have already ruled out terrorism as a possible motive of the suspect. It will only be treated as such if they reverse this (which is, as of now, very unlikely). Vida0007 (talk) 18:38, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

people keep removing my edit from terrorist incidents in 2025, its very frustrating JaxsonR (talk) 18:40, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's because there's no indication it's a terrorist incident. Please stop trying to add this attack to that page. RainyDayDagger (talk) 18:58, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What makes the accident in Vancouver an "attack"? —Dodo von den Bergen (talk) 21:07, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure we don't know that it was an accident. "Attack" can be mildly ambiguous with regards to intent and motivation, as in "attacked by jellyfish", though I agree it's probably not the best word to be using given what we don't know. The word is used extensively in the article. Ultimately we go by what reliable sources are calling it, and other than 'ramming', this is a word they seem to be using. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 21:56, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We don't know either of these. This should be described as an "incident" until there is a determination was to whether it was purposeful. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 22:58, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

should be attack or incidetnt 1111canada (talk) 16:14, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

8 second degree murder charges have been filed. This was not an accident. 24.108.68.57 (talk) 01:30, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't confirmed, multiple sources have stated that the person who did the incident had cases of mental health issues in the past, we can't rule out mental illness. KingRHM (talk) 01:41, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Attack is neutral, accident isn’t. Heymisterscott (talk) 02:01, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mental illness doesn't make it an accident. Calling it an attack doesn't mean that the person who did this wasn't mentally ill, whereas calling it an accident excludes any kind of intention to harm, even if that intention is based on mental illness and is incapable of criminal culpability. More importantly, the reliable sources covering the event describe it as an attack. Samuelshraga (talk) 07:13, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mentally ill people have committed mass murder in the US, only with a firearm. It's still labeled as an attack.

The action was an attack against innocent people. The person's medical history is irrelevant. 52.144.111.232 (talk) 21:12, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see that Category:Mass murder in 2025 and Category:Crime in Vancouver have been deleted. Do we need criminal convictions, or is the prima facie presentation of the incident enough? The article is titled "attack" without having a criminal conviction -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 21:23, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh that was me. Prima facie is what we call WP:OR. I think at a minimum you need some solid reliable sources saying those things. How do you know, for example, that this wasn't caused by a medical episode? -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 21:31, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And to the IP's (indirect) point, unless we know for sure this was purposeful (vs a "medical episode) this shoudl likely be described as an "incident" vs an attack. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 21:40, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Only a court can make a finding of murder. I turned on the « Biographies of living persons » caution in the info box, because there is discussion of the accused person in the article. Unless and until a court makes a ruling of murder, we have to be careful not to assume that a person has committed that particular crime. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 14:50, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to the confidently incorrect people, but he is called Canada’s king. Heymisterscott (talk) 01:58, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct. I would just like to piggyback on this to add that Mark Carney is the "Prime Minister" of Canada, no "interim" about it. In Canada, the PM is appointed by the head of state (Charles III through his representative GG Mary Simon) based on the confidence of Parliament. There is no title of "interim Prime Minister," official or colloquial. RainyDayDagger (talk) 02:09, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, interim PM is an extremely silly term to apply to Carney. This has made me curious as a side note - would it apply if a prime minister was an interim leader? Off the top of my head I can’t think of an example, I think both Mulroney and Chrétien stayed on until a replacement was made, but I am curious if the title would apply if a PM was interim leader of the leading party. I would suspect not even in that case.

The closest example I can think of is Tupper who was shortly PM and party leader but they didn’t have conventions then in the same way we do now, so interim didn’t apply. As far as I know Sinclair Stevens was the first interim party leader in the modern sense. Heymisterscott (talk) 03:02, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe that a party would appoint an interim leader while forming government. I'm not sure it would even be legal since it's not an elected position. But assuming it happened, IMO s/he would be the interim leader and the actual prime minister. 2001:569:7897:F500:E1E5:8F20:1898:2651 (talk) 19:55, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It would be a situation where there was a death, and perhaps a time of emergency. I guess the broader question is if we have succession laws in Canada related to the PM. Obviously the head of state (King) has a succession, and informally I would assume a deputy PM would step up if needed, but deputy PM is basically Canada’s “assistant to the regional manager” lol.

Anyway, from what I’ve read, in such a situation the technical answer is GG would appoint whoever would replace, so if a party had an interim leader, you are correct that they would be Prime Minister, full stop, regardless of their party status. In fact, a Prime Minister can serve not being a party leader (I think Tupper technically was not party leader when he was officially made PM) and of course can be appointed without holding a seat as was the case with Carney (though practically speaking this situation would only exist on a temporary basis). Heymisterscott (talk) 03:34, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

One thing to keep in mind is, there's not always a deputy PM. Naming one is at the discretion of the PM and I'm not sure how much official power they hold in terms of succession etc. Deputy Prime Minister of Canada 2001:569:7897:F500:8C5:5870:196E:7512 (talk) 20:26, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actually that article is very interesting as it seems to address the issue of succession. 2001:569:7897:F500:8C5:5870:196E:7512 (talk) 20:28, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I made the office reference because like the “assistant to the regional manager” role, it’s made up to be nice to someone initially but at times does provide a meaningful role. Canada has no succession laws, but if a leading party has an internal succession plan for party leader, then that would become the de facto line of succession for a PM, so if that’s the deputy leader, that’s the likely successor. But by far the majority of Canadian governments have not had a deputy PM. I believe Harper did not have one. Heymisterscott (talk) 00:50, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@RainyDayDagger, Paul Erik, CADmade, Borgenland, Factchecker72946482, MadHacktress, and Clayoquot: There appears to be an edit war as to whether "interim" should be included. Should it? 66.49.222.64 (talk) 02:35, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Remove/Oppose "interim" as unnecessary. 66.49.222.64 (talk) 02:36, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Remove "interim". To clarify, there have been some recent reverts around whether Mark Carney should be described as "Prime Minister Mark Carney" or "Interim Prime Minister Mark Carney". The question being asked here is whether "Interim" should be added before "Prime Minister". Current sources do not use the term "interim". Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 02:50, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I explained above but I'll repost here: Mark Carney is the "Prime Minister" of Canada, no "interim" about it. In Canada, the PM is appointed by the head of state (Charles III through his representative GG Mary Simon) based on the confidence of Parliament. There is no title of "interim Prime Minister," official or colloquial. Furthermore, he is referred to just as "Prime Minister" in cited sources. RainyDayDagger (talk) 02:57, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose "interim" per RainyDayDagger. Obviously, no reliable sources refer to Mark Carney as such, so adding that would fail WP:V. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:02, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is a no brainer. It is a very silly thing to call him based on a lack of understanding of Canadian parliament. Sorry to sound so condescending but it’s so incorrect that it’s hard not to come across as a dick Heymisterscott (talk) 03:04, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose using interim (forgot to include above) Heymisterscott (talk) 03:10, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Remove/Oppose. He is the Prime Minister of Canada. There's no such thing as an "interim Prime Minister". Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 03:06, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  he is prime minister as of apr 18 12:15 1111canada (talk) 16:15, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose inclusion How is this even an issue? It's hard not to see anything other than partisanship or rabbitholery as a motivation for such an edit. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 03:10, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Agreed, and frankly there is a lot of weirdly political BS edits including this one and also including “unelected” before the aforementioned title. Does not seem like a good faith error IMHO Heymisterscott (talk) 03:15, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose interim. No one uses this term to refer to Mark Carney. The page cited by CADmade to supposedly support this change is Interim leader (Canada), which states that an interim leader is whoever acts as leader until "the election of their formal successor". Carney was formally elected the leader of the Liberal Party back in March, and sworn in a couple days later. Even in the days in between, the proper title would be Prime minister–designate. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 04:41, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  mark carney won the eletion today 1111canada (talk) 12:58, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  He was PM before, and will continue to be PM from this election. I do not believe incumbent PM‘s are called PM designates prior to being sworn in again, but I could be wrong. Heymisterscott (talk) 03:21, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Mark carney is not a “interim leader” he is the prime minister. 206.45.159.67 (talk) 05:04, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose CAD has ignored that Carney was elected in a party election as de jure leader of the Liberals and by extension de jure prime minister despite the lack of a general election. As someone who states they are Canadian and admonishes those against their edits by implying they do not read properly, this, along with their repeated deportation/overthrow of King Charles as Canada’s monarch into the international section, is a serious misunderstanding on their part as adequately explained by Random, and raises suspicions expressed by Paul Erik on their talk page. Borgenland (talk) 06:17, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Carney became the 24th prime minister on March 14, 2025, upon his appointment by the governor general on behalf of the king. GoodDay (talk) 10:10, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Snow close Motion is not going to pass. Bremps... 19:13, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No such thing as an interim Prime Minister. Factchecker72946482 (talk) 05:09, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Forgot to mention this in the original post. Factchecker72946482 (talk) 05:10, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose of course - Canada does not have "interim" prime ministers at all. Mark Carney has been the prime minister, full stop, not interim nor designate, since he was sworn in on March 14, 2025. He remains prime minister until he resigns, he is dismissed by the governor general, or he dies. There is no re-appointment or re-swearing-in between elections. Technically, had the Liberals lost the election, Carney would still be prime minister until he actually resigned, and there have been instances in Canadian history where a losing prime minister did not resign, notably the 1925 election. See Prime Minister of Canada#Term of office for more info and sources. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 18:10, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Every time anything about the two Black Eyed Peas members is added to this article it gets removed. I feel like it's important to mention them; they are both Filipino and since they're fairly famous it gives some scale about how big the festival actually was. AverageChapstick (talk) 20:07, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not the one who removed it but I suspect it had to do with relevance or something like that. You can always add stuff back in good faith but of course, someone can always come along and remove it again. I don't know if you want to give it a go. -boldblazer 20:21, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree that it is more relevant than some of the other responses listed. I certainly think a group who has performed there and is Filipino is more relevant than a tennis player. I might be missing tennis player’s relevancy to this but if I am, that should be made more explicit in the article. Heymisterscott (talk) 03:40, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Heymisterscott Yeah I have no idea why the tennis thing is in here AverageChapstick (talk) 03:46, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/vancouver-car-attack-accused-adam-lo-lived-in-house-frequently-visited-by-cops-his-brother-was-killed-last-year/articleshow/120704095.cms

"Lo’s mother corresponded with neighbours in Chinese. A Facebook account that appears to belong to Lo says he is from Kaohsiung, Taiwan, the report said."

there is a photo of the suspect that shows he is of East Asian race, his name looks like a Chinese name, his apparent Facebook account says he is from Taiwan, but there is no mention of race or ethnicity in this article or most press accounts. If he was of middle eastern origin it would probably be noted and his name and picture pretty much give away his race and nationality. Bachcell (talk) 02:26, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe those other articles should omit such information, not that this one should have it... 80.40.178.173 (talk) 17:35, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Of note use of Times of India is not banned, but articles from that source should be used with caution:

Thanks 2603:6011:9440:D700:5C30:4678:63DA:80F8 (talk) 21:21, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple vigils have been hosted by many different organizations following the incident. I feel like these should be mentioned in the responses section. Maybe a community responses section?

One vigil was held at the BC legislature building in Victoria the day after (April 27th): https://cheknews.ca/vigil-at-b-c-legislature-mourns-victims-of-deadly-vancouver-filipino-festival-attack-1251720/

Two other vigils were held the day after (April 27), one at 41st and Fraser (the scene of the crime), and another at Kensington community center: https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/lapu-lapu-festival-tragedy-candlelight-vigil-memorial

More on the Kensington one: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/newsroom-ready-hundreds-gather-vancouver-140000694.html (RJ Aquino, chairman of Filipino BC, gave a statement here).

Another vigil was held the day after (April 27) at 8:30am in Surrey: https://www.vicnews.com/news/a-time-to-be-strong-bc-filipino-community-gathers-amidst-tragedy-7972168 Himisuda (talk) 05:12, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Does this need a talk section? I see no issue, you have your sources, IMO go ahead and make the edit, and if there is issues with it for some reason, talk might be necessary Heymisterscott (talk) 22:39, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgnz7n7zj4o LoreseekerFromTheShadowVales (talk) 15:36, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Day Creature (talk) 16:01, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Should we add all names? Gebrelu (talk) 17:22, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:MEMORIAL. Borgenland (talk) 17:41, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Change "A mother visiting from the Philippines was killed together with her son who immigrated to Canada" to "A mother visiting from the Philippines was killed, and her son who immigrated to Canada sustained injuries". 38.61.66.134 (talk) 10:45, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed. WWGB (talk) 11:09, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]