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Merger discussion

The article 2025 India–Pakistan border skirmishes is pure WP: REDUNDANTFORK and hence should simply be merged into this article, moreover if there are sustained skirmishes then this article itself maybe adapted to cover both the skirmishes and the diplomatic crisis 𐤌𐤋𐤊 Waleed (🗽) 17:42, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per reasons by XavierGreen VirtualVagabond (talk) 20:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait - These border skirmishes are clearly a major escalation of the crisis, and have every possibility to escalate into something much more serious. That said, I think we should give it a day or two to see if this is just a one time skirmish or something larger.
IiSmxyzXX (talk) 20:47, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Weak Support – the "skirmishes" aren't anything significant that it warranted an entirely separate article. Pak-Indo skirmishes are common. This is just an obvious fork and needs to be either deleted or merged. نعم البدل (talk) 21:33, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    It seems there have been some developments (not yet reported by media) of some Indian outposts being destroyed as a result of the skirmishes, so the skirmishes are escalating. Also rumours of there being restrictions placed on Indian Media. نعم البدل (talk) 04:14, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The skirmishes are notable on their own, you would not merge the page of a battle into its overall war. Coleisforeditor (talk) 21:57, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that skirmishes and military conflicts are notable on their own, but there hasn't been any abnormal violence. نعم البدل (talk) 22:00, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There has been scattered returned gunfire across the LoC at various points for the last ~24 hours, aerial confrontations and a captured Indian officer. Coleisforeditor (talk) 22:11, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The captured Indian soldier is more of an incident that happened to have occurred during all of this. As for gunfire across the LoC and aerial confrontations, they're unconfirmed so far to my knowledge. نعم البدل (talk) 22:16, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That being said, it does seem Al Jazeera has reported on the skirmishes.[1] Whether that is sufficient or not is a different debate I guess. نعم البدل (talk) 22:18, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
STRONG OPPOSE – While there may be content overlap, the evolving nature of the 2025 India–Pakistan skirmishes reflects a distinct and escalating military dimension that warrants independent coverage. Merging at this stage risks preemptively downplaying the seriousness of recent developments and limiting editorial flexibility as the situation unfolds. A separate article ensures clearer documentation, preserves informational integrity, and allows for more structured updates as events progress. Hypothetical Painter (talk) 03:02, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support such skirmishes occur often. Merge with the main article. Ahammed Saad (talk) 05:22, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose While past incidents have seen periodic small-scale level of border tensions, the 2025 India–Pakistan skirmishes represent a significant escalation after the 2019 India–Pakistan border skirmishes, especially in light of credible reports pointing to renewed cross-border infiltration and Pakistan-sponsored terrorist activity. India’s response has remained measured and defensive, underscoring its commitment to regional stability despite persistent provocations. Merging this article prematurely risks downplaying the severity of these recent developments and obscuring the distinction between conventional military responses and asymmetric aggression. A standalone article ensures that these nuances are documented responsibly and with due editorial care. Hypothetical Painter (talk) 05:46, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Eitan Drutman (talk) 23:21, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Its too soon to comment. If this situation was to dwindle into larger scale violence, then we could merge the pages into 2025 India - Pakistan standoff. >>> Extorc.talk 09:33, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I agree with XavierGreen, while Waleed does bring great points, these skirmishes have evolved to a point where any major action by either party could bring this crisis to the brink of war. Lidersztwo (talk) 23:02, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Rather being separate, better keep them together. Nuts5070 (talk) 13:57, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, skirmishes are part of bilateral tension, along with diplomatics, military, cross-boundary terrorism and water war, all are part of it. So I suggest rename it to Indo-Pakistani relation crisis, and the previously mentioned subtopics will be added. Ku423winz1 (talk) 12:14, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Till war happens (if any). The topic is so large and complex to just name it as skirmishes or diplomatic tensions, while there are cross-boundary terrorism, political outrage and water war as well. Ku423winz1 (talk) 12:16, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
support as both are consequences of the attack. Maybe rename it to "Consequences to the..." or "Aftermath of the..." Sportsnut24 (talk) 03:15, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Until there are major escalations like the 2019 India–Pakistan border skirmishes, the 2025 incidents do not warrant a separate article and should be merged here to avoid WP:REDUNDANTFORK. The main article can easily accommodate coverage of both skirmishes and the diplomatic crisis.
King Ayan Das (talk) 08:27, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agree Eitan Drutman (talk) 10:34, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

River waters

There is unconfirmed news that the Chenab river has been blocked at Baglihar and Salal Dam. And also that Jhelum river waters have been released causing floods downstream. Please look out for confirmation. This is escalating way too fast. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:52, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jhelum flooding is mostly being reported on independent social media posts. Although there are reports of speeding up of hydropower projects on the rivers. >>> Extorc.talk 17:10, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Kautilya3 IndiaToday is the first to report. Most RS are avoiding for now. >>> Extorc.talk 05:31, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Athletics Championships postponed

Is this really relevant for the "outcome" section? SnoozerMan (talk) 19:03, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pakistan official says a war could break in the next 24-36 hours

I think it should be added to the article. Eitan Drutman (talk) 23:17, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alongside with the tensions rising even more in the last hours. Eitan Drutman (talk) 23:19, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Eitan Drutman Can you please provide the source? Because nearly every official from both sides is saying that. saluere, Ɔþʱʏɾɪʊs⚔ 06:00, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That isn't relevant anymore... Eitan Drutman (talk) 13:21, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
38 hours has passed.... Eitan Drutman (talk) 13:21, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Due to editing block, I ask to add links to sides. In first line "India" should link to India page, and "Pakistan" to Pakistan page.

Change from:

On 23 April 2025, a diplomatic crisis between India and Pakistan began.

To:

On 23 April 2025, a diplomatic crisis between India and Pakistan began.

Gawronft (talk) 07:13, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done by Arcturus95 saluere, Ɔþʱʏɾɪʊs⚔ 05:58, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move (30 April 2025)

2025 India–Pakistan standoff → 2025 India–Pakistan crisis – The article has recently been moved to "2025 India-Pakistan standoff", but the word standoff does not cover up the whole scenario. Standoff refers to a deadlock between two sides over a dispute, but cisis refers to a time of trouble or instability, which in being occurred actually, both diplomatically & militarily. Apart from this fact, I also want to point out the naming of 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis, which did not started as a military engagement but as a bilateral crisis. Ahammed Saad (talk) 11:07, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

>>> Extorc.talk 11:44, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose - As of right now, tensions are not at the level where they can be expanded into crisis. However, considering Islamophobic sentiment in India over the attacks in the media and online, I'm very much concerned that this will become a crisis. Having learned about 9/11 every year at school since I was in 4th Grade, I know what it's like to feel as if your institutions are trying to provoke hate. Young N' Brash (talk) 12:53, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: most article regarding India-Pakistan in this particular context follow standoff wording. DataCrusade1999 (talk) 09:31, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now while the situation evolves. LeónGonsalvesofGoa (talk) 09:55, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar error in introduction

"an terrorist attack" should be "a terrorist attack" Carbonylgroup314 (talk) 21:09, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed, thanks. Left guide (talk) 00:58, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 May 2025

Ibraheemch333 (talk) 11:27, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: blank edit request. Day Creature (talk) 15:51, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

India Ban Pakistani YouTube Channel

 Not done: Unclear, unsourced, and non-encyclopedic. Celjski Grad (talk) 09:58, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 May 2025

Ibraheemch333 (talk) 07:23, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Red XNNot done: Blank edit requestMithilanchalputra(Talk) 09:50, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

India Ban Pakistani YouTube Channel

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Indian casualties

A vehicle of the Indian army fell into a gorge and 3 soldiers died I think we should add this information in the infobox https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/jammu-and-kashmir/soldiers-killed-as-army-vehicle-plunges-into-gorge-in-jammu-and-kashmir-ramban-updates/article69537255.ece DataCrusade1999 (talk) 09:28, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@DataCrusade1999 Its an accident , unrelated to conflict Mithilanchalputra(Talk) 09:35, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
if i remember correctly Indian airforce shot down it's own helicopter in the previous standoff and the casualties were mentioned in the infobox.
Its an accident , unrelated to conflict
it's an accident on that you and I both agree but is it unrelated to conflict that neither you nor I can substantiate at this moment I'll try to find more reliable sources in the meantime. DataCrusade1999 (talk) 11:27, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@DataCrusade1999 The friendly fire in 2019 was a direct result of the military escalations that took place then. This, as of now, appears disjoint. >>> Extorc.talk 18:06, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 May 2025 (2)

Indus water treaty was suspended not cancelled Abhiram1298 (talk) 14:58, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Day Creature (talk) 00:27, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ "'YouTube Channel Banned". Dawn News. 01 May 2025. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)