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For TheXuitts: In your edit summary here, you said that almost all "murder of" or "killing of" articles on Wikipedia include the "attack type" parameter in their infoboxes. Can you provide some examples? Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 23:55, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article uses the wrong template. It should use template:infobox event, which is used for crimes. Template:infobox civilian attack is used in articles like 9/11. WWGB (talk) 02:33, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

*Murder of Ahmaud Arbery

• Murder of John Lennon
• Murders of Alison Parker and Adam Ward
• Murders of Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Peña
• 2018 Riverview murders
• Killing of Vincent Chin
• Killing of Vicha Ratanapakdee TheXuitts (talk) 08:10, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So, I would like to start this out by making it resoundingly clear that I believe Laundrie killed Ms. Petito. I would also like to state that I’m not terribly familiar with this section of Wikipedia, as I mainly focus on law enforcement, military, and aviation articles. So I’m not sure what the accepted convention here, is.

That being said; Should the intro not state that Ms. Petito was *allegedly* killed by Laundrie? Or are we staying an incontrovertible fact backed by consensus? Without a video of what happened, one will never be able to be 100% certain what transpired, unfortunately.

I’m very familiar with the FBI’s statement on the matter, and I know they state they believe that Petito was killed by Laundrie. However, the FBI does not pronounce guilt or innocence, it is a law enforcement agency (LEA). They are free to state their opinions. Furthermore, as this murder took place in the US, US law applies, and a dead person cannot be tried. I’m the eyes of the law, Laundrie is, and always be, innocent, as he was never proven guilty.

If Laundrie had been found alive, we would be staying “alleged,” correct?

I’d be more than happy to see something included in the intro that states something along the lines of, “The Federal Bureau of Investigation has stated that Laundrie was solely responsible for the killing,” and that “Laundrie himself admitted to the killing in a journal entry prior to his suicide.” I know that’s already mentioned in the intro, but we could bump it up higher.

I truly don’t want to start an argument over this, I’m merely wondering if this is the proper convention in a case like this. I couldn’t find any other articles to compare it to, so I figured I’d just open the discussion; Thoughts?

MWFwiki (talk) 09:20, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think video evidence of every killing and/or murder is an inconceivably high standard of evidence. Also, this is an encyclopedia not a court of law or an oracle of absolute truth. --SVTCobra 10:17, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is indeed an encyclopedia, presenting factual information. It also should be as close to the absolute truth as possible, not sure why that is presented as a negative. Is it not factual that it is alleged that Laundrie murdered Petito? As I said, I’m perfectly happy to cede the fact that Laundrie admitted he did it. But, we may never know what actually transpired. I don’t understand why it’s okay to assume something simply because it “feels right” or what have you. As to my “inconceivably high standard,” what IS the standard, then?

I’d argue for adding “alleged,” but dedicating the following sentence to what we do factually know; That the FBI believes Laundrie was responsible and that he admitted murdering her.

MWFwiki (talk) 14:28, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that there are no sources backing up the statement that Brian Laundrie killed Gabby Petito. The most credible source of this type of information is the FBI, and they have not stated that Brian Laundrie killed Gabby Petito. They have said he is the only known person involved in her death, and that he claimed responsibility for her death, but never made the final jump to a statement that he killed her, and this appears deliberate. Jumping to a claim that Brian Laundrie killed Gabby Petito, however small a jump that may seem, is conjecture on the part of persons without all the information that the FBI has. KCTongo (talk) 00:11, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The text from his notebook have been revealed where he explicitly admits to killing her and that he is going to kill himself afterwards. He claims it was some kind of a hiking accident. I don't think you can get more clear than a direct confession in a suicide note. Harizotoh9 (talk) 06:10, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Laundire's letter got released. It should be added. HereMichaelFansz (talk) 13:41, 25 June 2022 (UTC) MichaelFansz[reply]

I've added details of the letter including experts contending that it does not match reports and their views. Bronx News 12 consulted at least two experts critical of the content of the note. For balance their views should be included. Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:54, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]