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I know this is not the best source but this site has uncovered something solid. In the back of the Kong Skull Island toy boxes, apparently the word "MONSTERVERSE" can be seen clear as day. This article from Collider also references the series as the "MonsterVerse". Could this likely be the name of the cinematic universe? If so, should we change the name of the page or wait until there's further confirmation from Legendary? Thoughts? Armegon (talk) 22:18, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this is obviously the film series' official title. Seeing as the official merchandise has the name on it - why wouldn't we change the page's title?--71.35.238.247 (talk) 00:56, 21 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should wait for a more official confirmation. At bare minimum, we should at least find multiple instances of "Monsterverse." This is a single image, and it may not be real. -RM (talk) 03:12, 21 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's official, MonsterVerse is the official title of the series! Here is the official documentation submitted for trademark registration with Legendary Pictures listed as the party name and status of the trademark being active. Armegon (talk) 04:52, 21 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hey all, this is something I've been meaning to bring up. It appears that some sources have already listed Ken Watanabe as part of the cast for King of the Monsters? The first mention of Watanabe being attached to King of The Monsters was on this article where it says that Watanabe is likely to return but after that, secondary sources now list Watanabe as part of the cast, even though there has been no primary source that broke the news that Watanabe has indeed signed on, like this source that broke the news that Millie Bobby Brown was cast or this latest source that broke the news that Charles Dance has signed on and Sally Hawkins will indeed return. I don't doubt that he'll come back but we do need a source that undisputedly 100% confirms that he has indeed signed on for the sequel, otherwise it would fall under WP:BALL. Armegon (talk) 01:47, 20 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I personally feel like the last article linked is as 100% confirmation. I don't know how much more you want. This is all your going to get. This is the confirmation. He was originally listed as "likely to return" but now is listed amongst the cast. That's confirmation. TheMovieGuy (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:46, 20 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I tweeted Mike Dougherty. Maybe we can get a confirmation that way. Give it a day or two? Alaney2k (talk) 03:18, 20 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think at this point, I do believe that we can say "has been reported, but not confirmed". I don't think that is prohibited, as it is current and there are two refs for that. Alaney2k (talk) 03:20, 20 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, we could go with that but I think we should wait on Dougherty's reply. If Watanabe has indeed been confirmed to return, then Dougherty will have nothing to hide and outright confirm Watanabe's return. I hate to make this bigger than it seems but remember when sources were calling the film "King of Monsters" instead of "King of the Monsters"? It's best to avoid premature information. Armegon (talk) 03:47, 20 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If its been reported but not actually confirmed, it should be written as such in the article. "Ken Watanabe is reportedly going to return for the sequel" then if it gets confirmed it should be written "Ken Watanabe will return for the sequel".Giantdevilfish (talk) 15:20, 20 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Giantdevilfish. If he responds to your tweet Alaney2k, then GREAT! However, if he doesn't, I think we should proceed with what Giantdevilfish is saying. TheMovieGuy (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:36, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'll agree to that. Armegon (talk) 19:20, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It has not been confirmed yet. So, I think it should stay as it is now for the time being. --Oderinnn (talk) 05:40, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Read above comments Oderinnn. TheMovieGuy (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:49, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

How come the shared universe wasn't dubbed the "KaijuVerse"? Given the definition of kaiju involving giant monsters destroying cities and fighting other monsters, it would have made more sense. Now that the Universal film universe has been named the "Dark Universe", I think it could have used the more creative MonsterVerse name instead since their films center around the classic Universal Monsters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.116.63.159 (talk) 01:09, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's not up to us to decide what we call this page. This "universe" is called the MonsterVerse, and has been copyrighted as such. -RM (talk) 15:54, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think he was wondering why the creators of the series didn't call it the KaijuVerse. (Until next time... Anon e Mouse Jr.) Anon e Mouse Jr. (talk) 17:58, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

We have an abundance of information. The film is now in production. It has been cast and has a crew... Why has a Wikipedia page not been created for the film yet? Why must anyone looking for the film be redirected to either the "MonsterVerse" page or "Godzilla" page? I say someone should create it. We have plenty of info and it is time for it to be made. TheMovieGuy (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:09, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

See the draft page here: Draft:Godzilla: King of Monsters, which will be moved to the mainspace (become a "real" article as opposed to a draft) when the film begins shooting. -RM (talk) 00:51, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The film is days away from shooting, so might as well make the article go live now. Armegon (talk) 02:26, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No need to rush. Alaney2k (talk) 02:44, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I expect it can go live on Monday. I wonder if Legendary will post something or the director will. Keep our eyes open! Alaney2k (talk) 02:52, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why not have it live now? Production was slated to start in June. No date was specified. What's the difference anyway? TheMovieGuy (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:42, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The normal procedure is to wait until filming begins. That's a wikipedia policy from the Film Project of editors. See WP:FILM and WP:NFILM. This film is clearly going to be made. But many films go into production and don't proceed to filming. Anyway, the casting call for this film specified filming dates from June 19 to September 29.here], so it's only a few days now. Alaney2k (talk) 13:01, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Are we going to use the draft provided by Rmaynardjr or are we just gonna restore the old one? Armegon (talk) 03:02, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Other draft? As far as I'm aware, the link I provided leads to the only draft of the page in existence. Also, we must wait until we have confirmation that filming has begun (past tense). "Filming will begin..." isn't enough. If it hasn't begun yet, it may not happen, and we only move articles to the mainspace if they are filming. -RM (talk) 03:58, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There was an existing article. We probably should compare. Alaney2k (talk) 13:01, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It can be found at here Alaney2k (talk) 11:59, 17 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And the movie is actually called Godzilla: King of the Monsters. Alaney2k (talk) 12:00, 17 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't what went on yesterday. It seems the article name got changed a couple of times and overwritten. The king of the monsters (2019 film) got updated, but then overwritten. It seems everyone went crazy?

1. The movie is not called King of Monsters
2. The Draft article was out of date. Using it instead of the Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019 film) has no purpose.

And can we hash it out here on this talk page please? We should resolve the content, title and article history etc. I don't think it should bounce around.Alaney2k (talk) 04:42, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No clue what to add to this. I don't have any idea what is being discussed here. I am glad the page is live now though, that is cool. And yeah, that was a typo on my part as far as the above discussion tab goes. TheMovieGuy (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:55, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I updated my previous content. Alaney2k (talk) 05:01, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

What I think of this, we should histmerge the edits of both articles. The draft has an old editing history and Czar should take a look at this. Now, if I revert Alaney2k's last edit on Godzilla: King of Monsters and redirect the Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019 film) to it, would probably start a fight. --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 07:10, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There's a lot of edit history that overlaps between these. I vaguely recall seeing elements from the older draft copied over to the 2019 page without attribution and my impression was that anything that was built atop the 2019 version should be merged (with attribution in edit summary) to the draft. But as I said, the 2019 article should have never started when the draft was edited and waiting. If the older draft's early edits were histmerged, we'd still be missing a lot of content.  czar 07:16, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I find that people who edit on this topic are not that concerned about the rules and procedures. I am not including myself in that group. But, it just made it worse to undo what was done. The draft was out of date and incorrect. The title itself should have been a clue. I don't know of what importance the edit history is, but I am certain that the content right now is correct, complete and current. Alaney2k (talk) 14:45, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As the topic states, yeah, this is a thing. Check it out... Godzilla vs. Kong. Since the movie is still in early development, there would be a need to delete this article for now? Armegon (talk) 05:02, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

move it to Draft I guess. Alaney2k (talk) 13:17, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I see there is a draft. So, a merge and change this new article to a redirect. Alaney2k (talk) 13:21, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I think its too early. Its all a moot point because unless Godzilla KOTM bombs big time the movie will still get made. I just think that a film should actually be in production before it gets an article.Giantdevilfish (talk) 13:27, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Those are the rules anyway, right? Armegon (talk) 22:23, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Check it...Godzilla vs. Kong (2020 film). This constitutes for deletion because the film has not entered production yet. The same creator of that page also made a premature article for Godzilla: Kessen Kidō Zōshoku Toshi. User:Alaney2k, User:Giantdevilfish, User talk:czar, User:TheMovieGuy, User:TriiipleThreat, any thoughts? Armegon (talk) 02:21, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think the Godzilla: Kessen Kidō Zōshoku Toshi article is fine but the other is definitely premature. Should be moved into draft zone until it starts shooting, whenever that is whether it be later this year or next year. TheMovieGuy

I went ahead and did the move to Draft: for Godzilla vs Kong. Thanks for pointing it out. Alaney2k (talk) 15:48, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Alaney2k, What are your thoughts for the 2nd anime Godzilla article? Should we draft it as well or leave it as is? Armegon (talk) 19:15, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Armegon: I feel that the movie is scheduled for release in May and therefore has been filmed/generated. I don't believe that Toho or Paragon are going to put out a PR that they've finished or started. I don't think they did that for the first. And would we know where to look? I would not delete it. But I am ok with putting it into Draft: if that is the consensus. Alaney2k (talk) 19:39, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. I'll remove the deletion template. Armegon (talk) 19:43, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

from Pacific Rim Uprising#Future:

DeKnight also talked about the possibility of a crossover with the MonsterVerse,^[1] as co-writer T.S. Nowlin is a member of its writers room.^[2]

I noticed someone put Pacific Rim in the 'see also' but without context. Does this seem worth mentioning on this article? ScratchMarshall (talk) 18:32, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Opposed. It's irrelevant trivial information. If DeKnight said that Warner Bros & Universal were seriously considering it, then it could be added but right now, it's just wishful thinking with no serious plans for a crossover. Armegon (talk) 00:35, 19 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Armegon: My apologies for implementing the changes a second time, my intent was not to ignore your opinion. I lost internet connection shortly after publishing the changes and thought that the changes were never published so I reimplemented them again without checking the article history. I do however, think that a compromise can be made, what do you think of something like this? Therefore the Infobox does not get bloated but still serves its purpose by providing a simple overview of the franchise. TheDoctorWho (talk) 22:52, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Armegon: Re-pinging since pings don't go through on unsigned posts. TheDoctorWho (talk) 22:53, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support: I have no objections to this option. If anything, it looks better. It helps the reader navigate to the tie-in material more easily. Armegon (talk) 22:56, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Why are the two MUTOs not listed under monsters? Is there a reason or we just forgot? EDG 543 (talk) 17:57, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone else think there should be a separate page for the MonsterVerse characters? ZorahErso (talk) 19:12, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, no. Not until there is significant coverage that's notable and merits its own article. Armegon (talk) 21:57, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Especially since some characters from King of the Monsters are crossing over into Godzilla vs. Kong. Plus there's that Kong: Skull Island character that is supposedly returning in Godzilla 2 as well. ZorahErso (talk) 12:12, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It may count as a spoiler, however a certain mechanized titan has been confirmed to be in the movie, as leaked images of the toyline reveal its existance and it appears briefly in the trailer. Certain articles cover the film also mention its existence. I was wondering if this certain titan should be mentioned within the Godzilla vs Kong section, or should it be kept secret until the movie's release. Another new monster was revealed in the toyline as bat-like creatures called "Hell Hawks" (who also breifly appear in the trailer.)